[RE-wrenches] New washers and dishwashers on inverter power -any problems?

Hugh Piggott hugh at scoraigwind.co.uk
Sun Dec 7 12:40:39 PST 2014 

Yes I agree but PV is getting so cheap!  We do keep our gas stove, but most of our cooking is being done in the halogen oven.   This is a big glass bowl that doesn't look as if it is more than a passing gimmick, but literally most of our cooking has happened in it over the last year.  Try it!

Having a huge windmill that doesn't ever seem to break (weird?) helps of course.  

By the way in case anyone thought the second inverter was a problem for our dishwasher... that's not what I meant to say, but the washer and most of our stuff ran fine on just one VFX.  The second one is just good for peak usage and the fact that there is another house connected.

good times!  My favorite thing (almost) about renewable energy is the fact that sometimes there is way too much of it.
Hugh

On 7 Dec 2014, at 16:43, frenergy wrote:

> Hugh,
>  
>         We've done a similar scenario around here the last several years, even charging an electric car.  However, there is certainly more to the story than an added inverter, eh? I've also added PVs (lots for the car) from the days of heavy propane use. And I know that some of the incentive to reduce the use of propane and add electric appliances is that occasionally we'll have a great hydro year ("Omigosh the batteries are boiling, there's 4KW coming in from PV and 600 watts at the hydro...buy that convection oven...do some electric space heating!!)
>  
>         For us the dance has been to have both available so, rather than run the genny, use a little propane to cook or whatever.
>  
>         A halogen oven?  uh, oh I guess I'm still living under a rock.  Help me with that one.
>  
> Bill
> Taylorsville
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hugh Piggott
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> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 7:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] New washers and dishwashers on inverter power -any problems?
> 
> We have a pair of VFX inverters and we run an LG dishwasher which is great - quiet direct drive -  uses about 0.7kWh for a wash (and about 0.2 per 24 hours sitting there looking inert :-()  It worked fine before the second inverter was added actually.  As did the induction hob and the halogen oven.  Both great ways to save on propane gas consumption.  In fact we hardly use gas any more.  We just bought a 3kW electric oven, and so long as the wind is blowing that's available too.
> 
> It seems to me that using propane to avoid using renewable energy is backward thinking these days.  LPG is the last resort for us.
> 
> Hugh
> 
> On 4 Dec 2014, at 01:14, Dave wrote:
> 
>> I'm looking at Bosch # 16083 ($ 765) dishwasher - any problems running this on OutBack inverter power?
>> and also a Samsung, or LG, front load clothes washer. I'm a little gun shy with these fancy machines because of all of their electronic controls as I have memories of the Maytag Neptunes several years ago being a horror show on inverter power.
>> Thanks for your input,
>> Dave Palumbo
>> From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Dan Fink
>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 8:21 PM
>> To: RE-wrenches
>> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Appliances for off-grid home
>> Hi Dave;
>> The last couple times I speced dishwashers for off-grid clients, I ended up doing it right from EnergyGuide ratings. No longer have to order expensive stuff from Europe or Australia, some USA-made models are right in there.
>> Battery spark ignition propane ranges are still very limited -- Premier/Peerless is OK, so is Summit Appliance, but with Summit  customer service and spare part availability are dismal. Unique OffGrid (Canada) looks really nice, but I'm waiting for someone else to try them before I recommend them. I may guinea pig myself on Unique. Everything else I've tried has been just plain awful....oven thermostats that need replacing every couple years, leaky valves, etc. They are cheap and intended for cheap apartment landlords who buy them 30 at a time.
>> I require sealed burners, and a solid burner great is awesome.
>> If your client doesn't need an oven, there are plenty of fancy expensive drop-in cooktops at the high-end foodie kitchen stores, but all the wall ovens I've found there have a glowbar. 
>> Finally, there's marine galley stoves and ovens. But very pricey, and tiny ovens. You're paying for gimballed mounts that you only need on a boat.
>> Best of luck.....
>> 
>> Dan Fink
>> Buckville Energy
>> IREC Certified Instructor™ for: 
>> ~ PV Installation Professional
>> ~ Small Wind Installer
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>> 970.672.4342
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>>  
>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Dave <dave at independentpowerllc.com> wrote:
>> I'm looking for a recommendation for an efficient dishwasher to be powered by an OutBack inverter.
>> Also, I need to buy another LP gas range for off-grid use. I have been using the Peerless-Premier line because they could be ordered without the electric glow bar in the oven. Are they any more choices these days in LP ranges?
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>> David Palumbo
>> Independent Power LLC
>> 462 Solar Way Drive
>> Hyde Park, VT 05655
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