[RE-wrenches] Utilities see battery bank as parasitic load?

[Chris Daum]

Well, does anyone know if the Power One Inverter will integrate with the
Radian?  Any special issues/considerations?  We aren't getting a lot of
information from the Power One folks.....
 
Chris Daum
Oasis Montana Inc. 

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From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of
toddcory at finestplanet.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:49 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Cc: 'RE-wrenches'
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Utilities see battery bank as parasitic load?


"As SCE wrote in a July memo for solar and storage contractors (PDF
<https://www.sce.com/wps/wcm/connect/7bfb9fcc-b277-4646-9ac2-7700e03914bf/Ba
ttery_Backed_Storage_NEM_Eligibility.pdf?MOD=AJPERES> ), "if a renewable
generator is modified so that the battery storage system is integrated into
the generator, SCE cannot separately meter the energy from the renewable PV
generator and the non-renewable battery."

 

 

this is bullshit!

 

most all of the grid-tie systems i do here (in unreilable norcal power area)
incorporate battery backup... and they are all metered with kv2c meters
which accurately detail power generated by the system AND battery
consumption... usually around 5 kWh a year.

 

sigh!

 

todd

 

 

 

 

On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 3:37pm, "Chris Daum" <chris at OasisMontana.com>
said:



Allan:   I know, THAT is a major concern of mine.  Is anyone else having
this problem? 
I'd hoped there would, by now  be a national/federal "agreement" on what
constitutes a save battery based grid-tie system, but I guess we're not
there yet....
--Chris @ the Oasis MT

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From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan
Sindelar
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:20 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Utilities see battery bank as parasitic load?

Chris,
This issue is being covered in the RE media quite actively, as threats to
industry success such as these can set precedents in other states.
Check out
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/fight-over-battery-backed-solar-
in-southern-california?utm_source=Solar
<http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/fight-over-battery-backed-solar
-in-southern-california?utm_source=Solar&utm_medium=Picture&utm_campaign=GTM
Daily> &utm_medium=Picture&utm_campaign=GTMDaily. That's from this week.
Allan



Allan Sindelar
 <mailto:Allan at positiveenergysolar.com> Allan at positiveenergysolar.com
NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional
NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional
New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician
Founder, Positive Energy, Inc.

A Certified B CorporationTM


3209 Richards Lane
Santa Fe, New Mexico87507 

505 424-1112 office 780-2738 cell
 <http://www.positiveenergysolar.com/> www.positiveenergysolar.com 

 

On 9/24/2013 2:32 PM, Chris Daum wrote:

Brian:

The LADWP engineer (Tony Ramirez) advised the inspector (Brenden Owens) who
told my customer (who, ironically, is retired from working at LADWP) that he
couldn't have a straight battery-based system.  And has to interface his
system with a batteryless grid-tie inverter.

You know any of these guys?  Got any clout with them?

--Chris Daum
Oasis Montana Inc.

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From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Teitelbaum
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:13 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Utilities see battery bank as parasitic load?


Chris,



Is that the "inspector" saying that, or the LADWP rep?



Brian Teitelbaum

AEE Solar



From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Chris Daum
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:41 PM
To: 'RE-wrenches'
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Utilities see battery bank as parasitic load?

 

Hello Wrenches:

 

Ok, here's one for you.  We have a customer whose utility provider is L.A.
Dept. of Water & Power; he's getting ready to install his battery-based
grid-tie system with a Radian inverter, load center, HUB4, eight - 250W
modules....etc.  But the inspector is calling foul, saying his 'battery bank
is a parasitic load"  -- the inspector also claims that the battery bank is
a "generator" so he must utilize a straight grid-tie inverter (5KW Power
One) and make this an AC coupled system to be legal. 



The question then becomes; does the PowerOne GT5kW inverter play nicely with
the Outback Radian when the Radian is the BB Inverter? 



Maybe there is a way to save our customer the cost of the new PowerOne
inverter if we configure the Radian differently? 



Any advice or suggestions that you can offer would be most helpful! And is
anyone else running into this?  It just seems crazy. 

 

Best,

 

Chris Daum

Oasis Montana Inc.

406-777-4309

406-777-0830 fax  


 

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