[RE-wrenches] Cable tray

[boB]

On 4/1/2013 9:37 AM, Chris Mason wrote:
> Actually the operational cost in the UK is higher. They have had 
> health insurance for some time, the US did not invent it. Taxes are 
> higher, in fact the US has one of the lowest tax rates in the OECD.
> Once the US moves to 1000V there will be little cost difference, I am 
> pretty certain of that.
>

1000V is definitely coming and we are trying to keep costs as low as 
possible.

And, before this has to go to another group that I can't post to,  I have to
agree with most of what Dan says about operating in the US.

It is looking like it is only going to get worse to manufacture in the 
US.  I hope we can
keep the made in the USA label keep coming.  A lot of made in USA 
equipment is
already only a final assembly and not a significant portion of the 
products manufacture.
For example, circuit board assembly in China and then put the rest 
together here.

It's not always "what" the restrictions are, (example: health care, 
taxes), but "how"
those are implemented.

I have heard of American companies moving to the northern UK Ireland or 
Scotland)
because it was cheaper for them to operate there but might be because of 
some tax loophole ?
I'm sure that hole will be plugged soon.

We will do our best to keep our products significantly built in the USA.

boB



>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Exeltech <exeltech at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:exeltech at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>     Conductors rated for 1000V and the same power you have in mind
>     for the 600V conductors (hence lower current) can indeed use smaller
>     wire, thus potentially saving on that aspect of the cost, and possibly
>     making it lower in cost for a given system than the lower-voltage
>     higher
>     current counterpart.
>
>     If the European hardware you bought is fully certified to the required
>     UL Standards for use in the USA, then product size is simply a matter
>     of design differences.  Could also be product volume since they are
>     way ahead of us in the 1000V category.
>
>     Issues we as manufacturers in America face when trying to compete with
>     firms in other countries are: 1) numerous additional costs related
>     to things
>     like Workman's Comp insurance, social security (for every dollar
>     you have
>     withheld, the employer matches it), now mandatory health insurance for
>     some (depending on company size), and so forth.  2) Strict
>     environmental
>     regulations that foreign companies may or may not have.  Even if
>     they DO,
>     we often find enforcement of those rules to be very lax,
>     especially in Asia.
>     3) Cost of living, thus higher wages in the USA.
>
>     .. to name a few.  Ends up being higher-cost products.
>
>
>
>     Dan
>
>
>
>     --- On *Mon, 4/1/13, Chris Mason /<cometenergysystems at gmail.com
>     <mailto:cometenergysystems at gmail.com>>/* wrote:
>
>
>         From: Chris Mason <cometenergysystems at gmail.com
>         <mailto:cometenergysystems at gmail.com>>
>         Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Cable tray
>         To: "RE-wrenches" <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org
>         <mailto:re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>>
>         Date: Monday, April 1, 2013, 9:23 AM
>
>
>         With regards to 600V costs Vs 1000V costs, once 1000V
>         equipment becomes the norm, it is likely not to cost
>         appreciably more, and the lower cost of copper will offset any
>         increase.
>
>         I bought 1000V SolarBos combiners which are huge, too big to
>         use on my installation, so I bought the same item from the UK,
>         which are tiny and easy to install, and half the cost.
>         Something is wrong with the US approach to 100V equipment and
>         switchgear in general. Why is the european equipment so much
>         smaller for the same switching current.
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Chris Mason
> President, Comet Systems Ltd
> www.cometenergysystems.com <http://www.cometenergysystems.com>
> Cell: 264.235.5670
> Skype: netconcepts
>
>
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