[RE-wrenches] Trojan L-16s

[Bob-O Schultze]

Steve,
Good advice but I'm not at all surprised that most folks don't have a hydrometer. Frankly, unless you are willing to spend a bunch of dough, you aren't going to get one that is worth having. And, they are damn hard to find. The $5 cheapies with the floating balls, etc are just worthless, IMO. 
Bob-O

On Aug 7, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Steve Higgins wrote:

Maybe, I’m overstepping here… but here goes.
 
In most off grid systems you are going to run just a tad bit hotter voltage/time.  This is because most of the batteries that are sold into this market were really designed and meant for Industrial applications.   The industrial application assumes that you are pretty much charging the battery with a stiff grid sourced current based charger every single night.
 
In most off grid systems the customer is slowly letting the battery fall to a 25% or 50% DOD state of discharge before enabling a fossil fuel source to bring the battery to full state.     When these batteries are run at lower state for a period of time they need a bit more voltage to remove the sulfation that has developed on the plates.  
 
What I’ve found over the last year is many people are depending on way too small of an array to get any battery bank charged, and of course are very reluctant to use a genset to power an inverter to charge the batteries.   This leads to poor SG’s and eventual failure. 
 
It also amazes me with how many people don’t even own a hydrometer to check the true state of charge on their battery.   Talked with a guy that has his batteries for 5 years and has NEVER taken an SG measurement.
 
 
 
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From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of RE Ellison
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 2:29 PM
To: Allan at positiveenergysolar.com; RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Trojan L-16s
 
I would be more inclined to think it's because of a denser plate material in the larger batteries
 
I know surrettes need longer absorbs and I believe a bit higher of a charging voltage to remain happy
 
And I generally run the Trojan L16s Just a bit higher than normal
 



Bob Ellison

On Aug 7, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Allan Sindelar <allan at positiveenergysolar.com> wrote:

Eric,
I kept this in my inbox for awhile, and finally had to ask - where did you get this information? I have never heard this recommendation - to charge a taller flooded lead acid battery to a higher voltage just because it's taller. I guess I see the apparent logic - more gassing addresses a potential for more stratification of the electrolyte - but if true, why have I never seen this in any battery service guide? What's your source? And has anyone else heard of this?
Thanks, Allan

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On 7/16/2013 7:53 AM, Eric.Bentsen at schneider-electric.com wrote:

Hi Drake, 
The L16 is quite popular in RE apps...but they typically require a bit higher charge voltage to reach the correct SOC than their shorter counterparts (i.e. T105 golf cart), 
because they are a taller battery (stands to reason .....specific "gravity"). Make sure they are in a vented enclosure if off-gassing will be an issue. 
Eric
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