[RE-wrenches] Was, Old School 12V Independent System? Now, controller tests

[R Ray Walters]

That's way too many strings, and as T105s die, they start using more water and boiling as their efficiency drops.   I would only use sealed batteries if maintenance is a real issue.  Sealed batteries cost twice as much and lost half as long.  Allan suggested them and I agree  in the previous case, because no one will be there for several months at a time.
I'd put a nice set of HUPs in to get the same or more amp hours.  Efficiency will be much better, and they'll have a battery that will last 20 years.

Ray Walters

On Oct 11, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Mark Dickson wrote:

> Sorry not to hijack, but. .
> I am sort of in the same situation. . .
> I am replacing a worn out battery bank (24 off-brand T-105s in six strings of 4) with nice new set of AGMs (3 strings of 4).  It has a solar array and Whisperer 200 turbine charging the bank and no generator.  Customer says the old batteries which are pretty worn, were always boiling and losing water.  I tested all the cells with a hydrometer on my last visit and found no obviously dead cells but all of them seemed week with some visual sulfation.   I am thinking the bad batteries are most likely the culprit, but I would like some ideas on what and how to test both the C40 and Whisper controller to make sure they were not causing the overcharging.  Any ideas on what tests to perform? 
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> Best regards,
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> Mark Dickson,
> NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer ™
> Oasis Montana Inc.
> <image001.jpg>Mark Dickson, Certified Solar PV Installer
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> From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan Sindelar
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:23 PM
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Old School 12V Independent System?
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> Bill,
> Give her sealed batteries for this application. We like Concorde SunXtender, both because the few sets that have been in operation off grid have shown exceptional life (we have one series pair of PVX-2580Ts going into its 13th year still in good shape) and are available in sizes that easily replace standard flooded sizes. Contact me off list for a good distributor referral.
> 
> If indeed they have "abused the batteries to death" then the batteries are indeed dead. I'd suggest that you sell her replacement sealed batteries. They'll arrive charged. Thus during daytime you can use the array itself and the full batteries to test the C-40, and set proper regulation voltage at the same time. Save the customer a second service call, make you a decent sale, worth the trip.
> 
> Just my $.02001 
> Allan
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> Allan Sindelar
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> On 10/11/2012 1:07 PM, William Dorsett wrote:
>> A client has an old school 12VDC remote cabin, (SunDanzer fridge, Sureflo pump, 12VDC lights and fans) which she visits perhaps every three months. It isn’t her interest to clean terminals, much less run the generator through one of her two days of country quiet to equalize the battery bank. The consequence is that she (and guests who borrowed the cabin) have abused the batteries to death. The first suggestion will be a maintenance agreement…yes. First I need to test the Trace C-40 charge control and would appreciate suggestions on choosing a portable 0-16V variable voltage power supply to check its function and set points etc. It should be as easy as a couple batteries in series, multimeter and a potentiometer. Thanks for your thoughts.
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>> Bill Dorsett
>> Sunwrights
>> 1715 Leavenworth
>> Manhattan, KS
>> 785/539-1956 Home/Office
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