[RE-wrenches] how would you measure a partial short circuit

[boB Gudgel]

On 7/1/2011 10:04 AM, Bill Brooks wrote:
>
> Nick,
>
> If your voltage is low and there is no ground fault, either positive 
> and negative are connected mid string, bringing the voltage down, or a 
> bunch of modules never got connected in series. In either case, the 
> Voc difference between the two strings will create a significant 
> current flow at open circuit. That is because the two strings are no 
> longer at open circuit, they are connected together so they have a 
> circuit. You will see significant current flow in those two strings 
> even though they are not connect to anything else. This is a function 
> of the IV curve. The higher voltage string is generating power in the 
> first quadrant (the one everyone sees on spec sheets), and the lower 
> voltage string is operating in the 4^th quadrant---the quadrant nobody 
> wants to see. This is the region where you take the IV curve from 
> where it crosses the voltage access at Voc and proceed into the 
> negative current, positive voltage region. Therefore the power 
> generated by the higher voltage string is being absorbed in the lower 
> voltage string. An IV curve tracer would do a nice job of showing both 
> of these curves and then the composite curve is going to look very 
> strange.
>
> Bill.
>

That's what I was going to say, Bill...

Only having two strings means that the series fuse rating will not be 
exceeded
and those fuses won't blow.   So that won't hurt any modules if that's 
all it is.

Maybe there is some junction box that is shorting out more than one 
module ?  Maybe the
modules that are shorted (if that's what it is), are in one row ?

boB






> *From:*re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org 
> [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick 
> Vida
> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2011 7:03 AM
> *To:* wrenches
> *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] how would you measure a partial short circuit
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> thanks for thinking about my question!
>
> I landed the fuses and put the fuses back in (not it- typo) on my sma  
> disconnect, and there was an arc across the fuse holder. Seems like it 
> could have been closing a short circuit on the bus once the parallel 
> connection was made.
>
> --------
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Although I am not entirely sure there is no ground fault,
> I took the conductors off the terminals so they were in free air, and 
> measured pos to neg, pos to ground, neg to ground on both strings, and 
> all I saw was the taper towards 0 from about 20 vdc, and no steady 
> voltage anywhere but pos to negative. That makes me think the voltage 
> is in a short circuit somewhere.
> I cant yet make any conclusions about the wiring mistake because I had 
> no access to the pull box where the different parts of the strings 
> were connected to each other and to the home run. I do think there 
> might be a short circuit between strings because when the fuse went 
> back in there was an arc on the fuse holder as if there was a short 
> circuit instead of a simple parallel connection. I guess it might have 
> had to do with the 2 different voltages, but there is voltage 
> 'missing' somewhere.
>
> Thanks for thinking about my question.
>
> ------------
>
> Bob,
>
> re: inverter capacitors charging, I havent seen that much of an arc 
> with SMA disconnects, and the switch was in the off position, so I 
> dont think there was any signal path to any real electronics. I always 
> pull my fuses and do not replace them until everything is landed and 
> hot and the voltages look proper when I install, and this arc was way 
> out of range of normal.
>
> re: backfeeding, I just suspected that too while thinking about your 
> responses, and yes the 2 voltages were different by about 200 volts.
>
> Thanks for the thoughts Bob.
>
>
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