[RE-wrenches] Delta LAs

Dave Click daveclick at fsec.ucf.edu
Tue Sep 14 13:05:52 PDT 2010


On my own system I have a DC suppressor from
http://www.surgesuppression.com/

It's UL listed with a 25-year warranty. Not as cheap as a Delta (or 
Citel as far as I know) though, but I felt a lot more confident with 
this given our crazy lightning storms in FL.

DKC

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Delta LAs
From: Mick Abraham <mick at abrahamsolar.com>
To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
Date: 2010/9/14 15:17

> Citel products do have a listing mark but this is European style CE, not
> American style UL/ETL. Citel is reputedly working on American
> certification but one would be advised to not hold one's breath.
>
> The Citel products which mount to a DIN rail have an LED indicator which
> goes dark once the surge elements have been sacrificed. Also some of
> their units have an auxiliary switch which can remotely indicate a blown
> condition. This is in the form of dry contacts..a normally open and a
> normally closed one, so various indicator circuits can be designed
> around that. The contacts have a low amp AC rating and also a (lower
> amp) DC rating but I do not remember the numbers at present.
>
> Jolliness,
>
> Mick Abraham, Proprietor
> www.abrahamsolar.com <http://www.abrahamsolar.com>
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>
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:43 PM, R Ray Walters <ray at solarray.com
> <mailto:ray at solarray.com>> wrote:
>
>     You could buy several ground rods for the cost of one Delta.
>     Ground Impedance is the real issue. Both the Delta and the
>     Polyphasor need a good ground to work.
>     While I haven't seen much of a correlation between Deltas and
>     reduced lightning damage, (lots of system damage with and without)
>     I have found that well grounded systems (tied to a steel cased well)
>     have never had a problem, even with direct strikes to a wind turbine
>     (did lose the $40 turbine rectifier, but nothing else)
>
>     I now own a clamp-on ground impedance tester, and the results were
>     miserable. Some electrodes were over 800 ohms to ground! (code
>     requires under 25 ohms)
>     I'd spend more time and money reducing ground impedance, and then if
>     it makes you feel good inside, throw the little "lightning faeries"
>     in, if the AHJ isn't looking.......
>
>     If its really lightning country, and a really expensive off grid
>     system, I use Polyphasor, but they have their own issues. (very
>     expensive, no UL listing, loose internal connections, nuisance
>     tripping, need a large J-box to mount them inside, etc.)
>     I haven't tried the Citel stuff, but it looks to be listed, and
>     mounts on a DIN rail. After installing a couple hundred Deltas, I'd
>     try something else at this point.
>
>
>     R. Walters
>     ray at solarray.com <mailto:ray at solarray.com>
>     Solar Engineer
>
>
>
>
>     On Sep 14, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Kristopher Schmid wrote:
>
>>     My thought here is that nothing will protect the equipment from a
>>     direct strike, but a near strike that may induce a significant
>>     surge may be absorbed by the LA and protect the equipment.  I like
>>     the feedback so far.  It would not break my heart to stop using
>>     them altogether.:-}
>>     Kris
>>
>>     Legacy Solar
>>     864 Clam Falls Trail
>>     Frederic, WI 54837
>>     715-653-4295
>>     solman at legacysolar.com <mailto:solman at legacysolar.com>
>>     www.legacysolar.com <http://www.legacysolar.com>
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>>         -----Original Message-----
>>         *From:* re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
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>>         [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
>>         <mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org>] *On Behalf
>>         Of *August Goers
>>         *Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:39 AM
>>         *To:* RE-wrenches
>>         *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Delta LAs
>>
>>         All -
>>         I guess my thought is a little off topic, but are lightning
>>         arrestors even worth using at all? My logic has always been
>>         that if lightning does indeed strike that it's likely going to
>>         blow the arrestor and and inverter. We don't have much of a
>>         lightning issue issue in the Bay Area so I don't have any
>>         direct experience.
>>         Best,
>>         August
>>
>>         On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Kristopher Schmid
>>         <solman at legacysolar.com <mailto:solman at legacysolar.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             It is quite ironic that just a week after I posted a
>>             question to the group
>>             on testing the integrity of lightning arrestors, I had one
>>             apparently faulty
>>             out of the box.  The manifest of this was interesting:
>>             when the AC LA
>>             (LA302R) was connected in parallel on the AC input to a
>>             SB3000 inverter,
>>             there was 125vac neutral to L1, 125vac neutral to L2, and
>>             1Vac L1 to L2.
>>             SMA tech support suggested the LA as the issue and sure
>>             enough, it was.
>>             Attempting to test good and faulty arrestors with an
>>             ohmmeter gave the same
>>             result - off scale open.
>>
>>             Any thoughts or comments from the group?
>>
>>             Kris Schmid
>>
>>             Legacy Solar
>>             864 Clam Falls Trail
>>             Frederic, WI 54837
>>             715-653-4295
>>             solman at legacysolar.com <mailto:solman at legacysolar.com>
>>             www.legacysolar.com <http://www.legacysolar.com/>
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