[RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING

boB Gudgel boB at midnitesolar.com
Wed Jul 21 19:56:28 PDT 2010


Darryl Thayer wrote:
> That is a good question, I have not an answer, but of course it should 
> be based on the amp hour of the battery bank, absorb charging voltage, 
> and of course the charging source in the case of generators.  
> Following Ron's advise start at C/5 for SOC less than 50% then C/10 
> till about 70% SOC and then C/15 till 80% then C/20 to 90 %. the 
> problem we have no way to set these values, Perhaps Ron could give is 
> a routine?  The closet to SOC charging is the Outback and then the 
> Magnum but both miss the goal. 
>

I would also be interested to hear Ron's answer to this, but I would 
think that if you measure the current  and Specific Gravity
together, during absorption , when the proper fully charged SG 
specification is reached, you would have your RA answer.

Or, darn near close to it.

boB








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> --- On *Wed, 7/21/10, Dana /<dana at solarwork.com>/* wrote:
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>     From: Dana <dana at solarwork.com>
>     Subject: [RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING
>     To: "'RE-wrenches'" <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
>     Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 5:54 PM
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>     As the % of full charge is related to the of degree absorption &
>     gravity [the denser & more charged acid descending, and lighter
>     acid rising] @ what point in the absorption would be prudent to
>     stop charging?
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>     I used to cut off the charge on the Trace SW series at 12 “return
>     amps”, VS. the factory default I think was at 5 amps.  This has &
>     continues to work well but I never had anyone really answer this
>     function clearly.
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>     Is there a battery manufacturer  or wrench that would care to
>     comment on the: 
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>     The minimum “Return” amps to disconnect for a “full” charge?
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>     OR
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>     The time required per 100 AHR after reaching the Absorption point
>     setting for the mix to occur?
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>     I realize that battery construction, battery condition, age and
>     temperature and the current power usage will also play into this
>     factor and it may not be a simple answer.
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>      Dana Orzel
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>     *From:* re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
>     [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of
>     *Mark Frye
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:25 PM
>     *To:* Allan at positiveenergysolar.com; 'RE-wrenches'
>     *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters
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>     Allen,
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>     Can I infer that if you are shutting off the gen before charge
>     rates drop in absorption that you are running only briefly in the
>     absorb phase? Or do your charge currents remain high through out
>     an extended absortion phase?
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>     Perhaps you have plenty of PV which you rely upon to bring the
>     batteries up through the absorption phase, once the gen is shut off.
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>     I would be interest to learn more about your approach to this.
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>     Thanks,
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>     Mark Frye
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>     *Allan Sindelar
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:17 PM
>     *To:* re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org
>     *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters
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>     The Onan RS20000 shown in the generators article in HP 131 page 98
>     has performed flawlessly as backup support to an Outback
>     quad-stack of VFX3648s. Differences, however, are that this 20kW
>     gennie charges four inverters, rather than two; the elevation is
>     6,600 feet for about a 20% output deration; there are no huge
>     loads above charging draw; and the client is aware enough to shut
>     it off before absorption reduces the charge rate - all different
>     conditions than you have described, as the gennie is usually fully
>     loaded and running in balance.
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>     Darryl is right about the amount of words necessary.
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