[RE-wrenches] Magnum MS4448AE Compatibility Question

[Dana]

I have hit this one a couple of times but not with the equipment you are
listing. It turned out to be how the sine wave crossed the X axis and the
controls did not like the wave form.

 

Thanks -

 

Dana Orzel

 

Great Solar Works, Inc

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-Thomas Edison, in conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone, March
1931

 

From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan
Sindelar
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:16 AM
To: RE Wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Magnum MS4448AE Compatibility Question

 

Wrenches, 
We have an unusual problem, and I need to know if anyone else has had this
or a related problem, and what to do about it.

This concerns a new off-grid residential system, very conventional: 1,800W
PV, Midnite E-Panel with Magnum MS4448-AE inverter, MX60, 16 S-460s,
installed summer 2008. This existing home is being extensively remodeled,
and the home is not yet occupied. A local mechanical contractor installed a
new infloor radiant (gypcrete) hydronic heating system using a
Netherlands-made (German company) Buderus GB142 high-efficiency boiler. The
problem is that the boiler won't start reliably on the inverter. It appears
that the hot-surface igniter does not get full AC voltage (it runs on
straight 120V AC, but is supplied through the boiler's control circuitry).
We tested the igniter by disconnecting it and plugging it straight into
inverter AC and it lit right up. 

The mechanical contractor has tried a replacement Buderus GB142 boiler with
the same result. I was told that they brought out a generator and it also
failed to ignite on generator AC, but not knowing the generator used or the
way it was wired (I believe an extension cord to a portable) I don't put
much weight on this data. They also took a Lochinvar Boiler to the site to
test the theory that a different manufacturer's boiler might work. The
Lochinvar boiler, which uses a different control and a spark ignition rather
than a hot surface igniter, worked on site without any problems.

I'm looking for solutions. Magnum tech support had not heard of this. Have
you? 
Also, if indeed we have an inverter that is incapable of running this load,
how do we make it right to the homeowner and the mechanical contractor? What
should be Magnum's obligation? What should be ours? This issue hasn't come
up here since the days when the Trace SW mod-sine series was the waveform
standard.

Thanks, 
Allan Sindelar 
 <mailto:allan at positiveenergysolar.com> allan_(at)_positiveenergysolar.com 
NABCEP certified solar PV installer 
Positive Energy, Inc. 
3225A Richards Lane 
Santa Fe NM 87507 
505 424-1112 

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