[RE-wrenches] Building integrated thermal collectors?

Tue Jan 20 18:49:27 PST 2009

Thanks, Carl~

I spotted the Wagner website after this conversation lulled. I wrote to ask
about North America distribution but I got no reply so I assume they're not
active on this side of the pond.

I also wrote to Velux...cc'ing about four List members who expressed an
interest. All I've gotten so far from Velux is the opportunity to fill out
some application papers, and no answers to my batch of questions.

Mick Abraham, Proprietor
www.abrahamsolar.com
Voice: 970-731-4675

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From: "Carl Emerson" <freepower at freepower.co.nz>
To: <mick at abrahamsolar.com>, "'RE-wrenches'" <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:01:43 +1300
Subject: RE: [RE-wrenches] Building integrated thermal collectors?

> Mick,
> 
> We are about to do a Wagner system about 50 SQM.
> 
> It is a top German product, definitely worth a look.
> 
> Carl Emerson
> Manager
> Free Power Ltd.
> Auckland, New Zealand.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
> [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of mick 
> abraham Sent: 29 December 2008 7:04 a.m. To: RE-wrenches Subject: 
> Re: [RE-wrenches] Building integrated thermal collectors?
> 
> Good points made, Karl...esp the one about "every btu reduces the 
> load on the backup water heater". My takeaway from that is that even 
> if the Dawn system can only preheat water for the main heater, 
> that's still something. I assume that the solar fraction could never 
> reach 100%, but that's often the case anyway.
> 
> I plan to write to Velux to learn more about their flashed/glazed collector
> system. Interested parties may contact me off list and I'll forward 
> what I get. (Disclosure: I have no relationship with and get no 
> benefit from Velux for forwarding their information.
> 
> Mick Abraham, Proprietor
> www.abrahamsolar.com
> Voice: 970-731-4675
> 
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: Karl Schwingel <karl at northwindrenewable.com>
> To: mick at abrahamsolar.com, RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Sent: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:44:35 -0600
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Building integrated thermal collectors?
> 
> > I will beg to differ on the space heating properties.  domestic hot 
> > water can use any degree above about 50 degF here in wisconsin.  
> > every btu reduces the load on the backup water heater.  pool heating 
> > is just fine with anything above  80 degrees or so (pool temps 80-85 
> > deg) and space heating is the tricky one because it needs temps 
> > minimum of 60 deg above ambient.   say 80 deg on a 20 deg winter day 
> > for infloor heating, much higher for fan coils and other convective 
> > devices.
> > 
> > There's someone here in the upper midwest peddling something similar 
> > to the amercian solar air to water heater, and that's fine, but what 
> > happens when something fails and the HX freezes.  I've heard too 
> > many stories about the HX's freezing overnight and thawing when the 
> > sun comes out, presto, impromptu indoor pool.  not on my watch cap'n.
> > 
> > what worries me is that dawn solar is peddling their collector to a 
> > potential customer as a space heating option.   he wants us to 
> > install it, and I'm willing to do it, but ONLY with a huge signed 
> > neon rotating, I TOLD YOU SO!!!.
> > 
> > karl out.
> > 
> > mick abraham wrote:
> > > Thanks, Kurt & Ian~
> > >
> > > The Dawn Solar arrangement makes me think of a similar looking setup
> from
> > > American Solar: http://americansolar.com/product-solar-roof.htm
> > >
> > > The American Solar setup heats air which they claim can then heat water.
> Hmm. 
> > >
> > > My inner geek suspects that both of these systems would yield only low
> > > temperature rise...which would be OK for pool heating or even for space
> > > heating...but for DHW? Hmm. Both of these systems remind me of unglazed
> > > swimming pool collectors.
> > >
> > > Glass is old school, low tech, breakable, and there's that nagging low
> R-value
> > > problem. Even so, glass really has some marvelous properties. The
> "greenhouse
> > > effect" makes glass behave similar to a selective surface. 
> > >
> > > Ian's note about the Velux integrated collectors is also appreciated.
> There
> > > are some excellent how to videos on the Velux website which may be of
> interest
> > > to other List members.
> > >
> > > Anyone in the SW Rockies who might be interested in pooling an order for
> Velux
> > > gear in order to save freight costs may contact me off list.
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > >
> > > Mick Abraham, Proprietor
> > > www.abrahamsolar.com
> > > Voice: 970-731-4675
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > > From: Kurt Albershardt <info at es-ee.com>
> > > To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> > > Sent: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 09:36:27 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Building integrated thermal collectors?
> > >
> > >   
> > >> --On Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:08 AM -0700 mick abraham 
> > >> <mick at abrahamsolar.com> wrote:
> > >>     
> > >>> I'm looking for thermal collectors which integrate into the roof of
> the
> > >>>       
> > > building. These would heat glycol to modest temperatures, for domestic
> hot
> water.
> > >   
> > >> Dawn Solar uses a design which effectively puts radiant floor tubing 
> > >> just below the metal roof panels.  They were not particularly 
> > >> forthcoming when I asked for more info.
> > >>
> > >> I suspect you could use Rehau Raupanel in a similar fashion.
> > >>
> > >> <http://dawnsolar.com/gallery/TherDSS-StandingSeamClip.JPG>
> > >>
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> > -- 
> > Karl Schwingel
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