[RE-wrenches] Solar Installers Education

[R. Walters]

>
> The one commonality to all of this is really the passion to  
> constant learning. The Japanese have a word- Kaizen- constant  
> improvement.

Excellent, thanks for the new word. Unfortunately, I'm just not  
seeing any of that passion in the new people flocking to this industry.

> Where it is peculiar to me, is to see us not being able to charge  
> enough to take care of our families and co-workers (team mates) on  
> the ship of life.

Now you've hit the sore spot for us: we've worked and studied hard,  
spent countless unpaid hours contributing to this list for our mutual  
Kaizen, only to see a growing market that is not necessarily valuing  
our experience. The question is how do we get across to the customer  
why they should pay more for that experience and knowledge? How  
besides NABCEP, do we even demonstrate we have that knowledge?

Mahalo,

Ray

> Aloha
>
> Keith
>
> From: Joel Davidson <joel.davidson at sbcglobal.net>
> To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 5:50:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar Installers Education
>
> I agree. I have DIY customers who know more about PV systems than a  
> lot of so-called PV professionals. Designing and installing PV  
> systems is a continuous learning experience. We are practitioners  
> because, like doctors, we practice our trade, expand our knowledge,  
> and hone our skills. I tell people who wants to get in the PV  
> business to put a PV system on their own home. People who tell me  
> that they want to sell PV but can not go solar personally for  
> whatever reason have less credibility. They get less respect from  
> prospective customers who use the same reasons or excuses for not  
> going solar. They either don't last long in the business or are in  
> it only for the money. Granted, there are less operational nuances  
> to a batteryless, grid-tied PV system than a battery-based system  
> or wind or water generator, but living with your work is essential.  
> It makes you keenly aware of unique subtleties and helps you better  
> understand your customers concerns.
>
> Joel Davidson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: R. Walters
> To: RE-wrenches
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Solar Installers Education
>
>
> For Off grid, no one should even attempt being a designer/  
> installer without living for a full year on their own off grid system.
> GT w/ batteries, you need off grid smarts and understand GT.
> Training newbies, I can't imagine them being able to do anything  
> other than schlep modules/ do grunt work for a couple of years.
> I could see a licensed electrician with a year of full time  
> training being able to do GT w/o batteries.
> Most of the market and all the growth is in the GT w/o batteries,  
> so I think your training should concentrate there.
> I've taught a semester long PV class, and all I was able to do was  
> create well educated consumers.
>
> R. Walters
> Solarray.com
> NABCEP # 04170442
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 17, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Keith Cronin wrote:
>
>> Hi gang
>>
>> I was wondering, what percentage do you believe represents the  
>> ratio of classroom training to field training for PV and what  
>> percentage you believe should be performed by licensed  
>> electricians vs what is deemed mechanical work?
>>
>> Residential Grid Tie w/out batteries
>> ___% classroom- electrician
>> ___% field- electrician
>>
>> Residential Grid Tie w/out batteries
>> ___% classroom- mechanical
>> ___% field- mechanical
>>
>> Commercial Grid Tie w/out batteries
>> ___% classroom-electrician
>> ___% field-electrician
>>
>> Commercial Grid Tie w/out batteries
>> ___% classroom-mechanical
>> ___% field-mechanical
>>
>> Residential GT with batteries
>> ____% classroom-electrician
>> ____% field-electrician
>>
>> Residential GT with batteries
>> ____% classroom-mechanical
>> ____% field-mechanical
>>
>> Any takers on the off grid market percentages?
>>
>> Commercial w/ batteries is utility scale and I don't think it can  
>> be quantified today as the projects are generally design build and  
>> perhaps hard to put an exact # on these.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Keith
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