[RE-wrenches] DR>FX Compatibility Problem

[R. Walters]

My bad experiences seemed to begin with an 2003 model. Before that  
they had their quirks, but otherwise seemed to work well.
Any chance your 2000 model has a replacement control board from a  
newer/ less reliable batch?

Ray

On Jun 18, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Allan Sindelar wrote:

> Thank you, Ray, but this is a 2000 year model. Does your advice  
> apply to the older units as well?
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> We had a 1999 model, now a 2002 model in our home; both OK on sine  
> (FX) and mod-sine (SW+).
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> Allan
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> Allan Sindelar
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> Allan at positiveenergysolar.com
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> NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer
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> EE98J Journeyman Electrician
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> Positive Energy, Inc.
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> 3201 Calle Marie
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> Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507
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> 505 424-1112
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> From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches- 
> bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of R. Walters
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 7:06 PM
> To: RE-wrenches
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] DR>FX Compatibility Problem
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> I quit selling Staber, as they changed the design substantially  
> over the years. The last one I had would NOT run reliably on a  
> Xantrex SW+ Inverter. Kept smoking circuit boards. The days of a  
> Staber running off a Trace U612 are long gone. (I guess they went  
> to the same dinosaur land that the old Kohler gennys and decent  
> profit margins went)
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> To your list of possible causes, you should add:
>
> 7) Staber has become a finicky appliance that  will drive an honest  
> solar installer  crazy.
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> Ray Walters
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> Solarray.com
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> NABCEP # 04170442
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> On Jun 18, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Allan Sindelar wrote:
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> Jeff,
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> I have not yet tested the surge in this application. However, I  
> have a Staber in my own home as well. My little Xantrex SW+2524  
> runs it effortlessly, even while the toaster and microwave are both  
> running (breakfast is laundry time). I believe that the Staber  
> actually uses a rectified DC drive motor, to achieve reversal of  
> direction and variable speed control. I don’t believe it has much  
> surge – remember, it found its way into the off-grid market because  
> it could run on smaller, mod-square mid-1990s inverters.
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> Thank you for all the responses. It is clear to me that there are a  
> whole range of possible causes, and no certainty. My main  
> suspicions are: 1. Bad AC GFCI at the washer; 2. Bad system ground;  
> 3. My installer error in leaving a loose terminal or cable crimp;  
> 4. intermittent short from mouse-chewed conductors or power cord;  
> 5. bad AC board in FX2524T inverter (one Wrench suggested this from  
> experience off-list); 6. failure in Staber control board. That’s a  
> lot of options, I know. When I finally go there and fix it  
> (hopefully), I’ll post what I learn.
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> Allan
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> Allan Sindelar
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> Allan at positiveenergysolar.com
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> NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer
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> EE98J Journeyman Electrician
>
> Positive Energy, Inc.
>
> 3201 Calle Marie
>
> Santa Fe, New Mexico 87507
>
> 505 424-1112
>
> www.positiveenergysolar.com
>
> From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches- 
> bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Oldham
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:44 PM
> To: re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] DR>FX Compatibility Problem
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> Not sure if anyone offered this already - The DR will do a 5 sec.  
> surge to 6200W the Outback will do a 5 sec. surge to 4800W. This is  
> common, most mod's will surge considerable more than Sine's, that  
> is the big trade off other than power quality and tare losses. In  
> addition I'm very skeptical that the Staber only surges to 11A,  
> have you measured the actual surge? When I replaced my good 'ol  
> Trace 2512 (too many appliances disliked the mod. sine) and went to  
> a Magnum 2812 my washer would kick it out as my washer surged to  
> 31A and the Mag. would do 30! This is a modern Horz. axis machine.  
> I now have the Magnum and a new Vanner ITC 12-3200W that does a 3  
> sec. surge to 6400W and will even run my wire welder and air  
> compressor, both used to be genny only loads.
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> -jeff o
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> >From the Solar, Wind and Hydro powered office of Jeff Oldham/ 
> Regenerative SOLutions
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