[RE-wrenches] Soldering

[Dana]

I am pretty sure that solder is forbidden in the NEC. For AC or DC. Our
inspector pointed that out once 13 years ago.

 

Thanks -

 

Dana Orzel

 

Great Solar Works, Inc

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coal run out before we tackle that."

-Thomas Edison, in conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone, March
1931

 

From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Joel
Davidson
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:05 AM
To: re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Soldering electrical conductors

 

Good wire splices and connections require good mechanical connections first.
Some people like to solder the wire after they make the mechanical
connection, but solder can hide a bad mechanical connection and provide a
place for corrosion to form.

 

Joel Davidson

 

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From: The Office of Tom Duffy <tom at thesolar.biz>
To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches at lists.re-wrenches.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:48:28 AM
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Soldering electrical conductors

About 28 years ago I read a study, by either Niehoff or Prestolite, on the
pros and cons of soldering or crimping, heavy duty starter cables, for over
the road trucks. 

 

The finding was, that a properly crimped lug made a solid (molecular)
connection while solder did not make as good a connection because solder was
not as good a conductor as copper. They concluded that the crimped
connection carried more amperage and did so over the long haul. 

 

We use an air over hydraulic crimper on all our cables with a hydraulic
gauge reading of 10,000 lbs PSI. I have done a pull test with this
connection by pulling a truck behind another with this connection

 

Tom Duffy

The Solar Biz

From: re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces at lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of North Texas
Renewable Energy Inc
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 10:08 AM
To: RE Wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Soldering electrical conductors

Wrenches

Over the years I have heard almost nothing about soldering of electrical
connections in PV circuits, AC or DC. The only reference I recall is from
the recommendation that one should crimp AND solder larger compression
fittings to assure a permanent connection. There were references to factory
made battery cable crimps not holding after installation and during the
final "pull-test". 

I can't find any reference to the practice in the NEC, either pro or con. It
seems that any technique so susceptible to poor results would be at least
addressed. 

The reason I want to definitively address this practice, by the Wrenches
community, is this.

A group of PV industry specialists were invited to help develop a curriculum
for a state funded technical college with 4 separate campuses. The Waco
Campus, with the fuel cell and wind degree programs,  is now creating a
solar installer technician degree program. 

A group of experts spent two days picking our brains to help create an
overview plus detailed duties, tasks and the separate steps involved in the
design/installation process.

So now that the initial draft is finished we are asked to critique it. One
of the "General Knowledge" items is soldering techniques. 

I need to mention that the degree will cover both PV and thermal installs.
Of course some soldering is necessary in the thermal installation process,
less since the introduction of compression connections, but I'm interested
in addressing the electrical side. 

If any negative long-term effects from solder joints have been discovered I
would like to hear about them. If they seem serious enough, I would consider
recommending that the staff include a clarification that electrical
soldering should be avoided. If the long-term effect is negligible, it is
still possible to do an electrically poor job even using top quality
equipment. 

I'll defer to the collective knowledge of this organization.

Thanks as always

Jim Duncan
North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
817.917.0527
ntrei at earthlink.net
www.ntrei.com <http://www.ntrei.com/>  

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