code advocate [RE-wrenches]

[Matt Tritt]

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Hey Bob-O, etc.,
Considering that the manufacturers of the equipment we use are the ones 
who are responsible for supplying components that "pass code", and 
designing systems that also are code compliant, wouldn't it make sense 
if they played a major role in funding such a program? It doesn't seem 
fair that installers would need to foot the bill to iron-out problems 
with the NEC on their own dime.

Matt T

Bob-O Schultze, Electron Connection wrote:

>
> Gang,
> An advocate IS a good idea, IMO. Two challenges there:
> 1) Finding such a person- this is national level work and probably  
> requires a ton of travel
> 2) Funding the gig.
> At first blush, it seems like a SEIA, ASES, whatever sort of thing.  
> Dunno if there would be any conflicts, it would need looking at. But,  
> I don't see SEIA or anyone else having the dough at this point. The  
> intelligent thing would be for all concerned to kick down the dough  
> to make it happen. Under the auspices of an existing organization  
> would be cheapest to save the overhead. But.... as I see it, those of  
> us who actually give a rats ass about these things probably already  
> kick down for membership in SEIA, ASES, state SEIA chapters, and god  
> knows what else. The poor, lame, or lazy freeloaders who don't,  
> probably still won't or can't. Are there enough of us Wrenches/Manus  
> who could/would afford to fund a gig like that in addition to all the  
> other important works? Probably take $250K or more a year to be  
> effective if I had to guess.
> Bob-O
> On Nov 20, 2006, at 8:02 AM, Jay Peltz, Peltz Power wrote:
>
>>
>> HI Allan,
>>
>> I must say I have been somewhat surprised at the lack of interest  in 
>> such an idea,
>> given the stake we all have in this.
>>
>> I think here is the perfect example of the people who are self  
>> appointed and in charge now
>> having no clue as to whats going on. I mean when JW is talking to  
>> inspectors etc without having
>> talked to Outback first is just wrong.  But I'm also surprised that  
>> he would find issue with a UL rated product,
>> which the PS1 is.  So he's disagreeing with how UL tests things, or?
>>
>> Nope time for a change, before this industry gets much bigger.
>>
>> Have a nice thankgiving.
>>
>> jay
>>
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Allan Sindelar wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Jay,
>>> I agree, and would support such an advocate.
>>>
>>> Interesting development here...I called the Chief Inspector for  the 
>>> state of
>>> New Mexico about the PS1/50A interconnect breakers/690-64(B)(2)  
>>> issue that
>>> we have been discussing. I explained the intent of the exception,  
>>> and the
>>> inability to send more than 30A back. He understood, suggested I  
>>> submit this
>>> as a written request for interpretation. Apparently there is a  
>>> statewide
>>> committee of inspectors, engineers, and industry (not PV-specific)  
>>> that
>>> meets every two months to look at Code interpretation issues. I  
>>> will do so.
>>> Perhaps we'll get a ruling allowing a common-sense approach,  rather 
>>> than the
>>> letter of the Code. I will post here in a couple of months what  
>>> develops out
>>> of this.
>>>
>>> Allan at Positive Energy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jay Peltz, Peltz Power" <jay at asis.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 9:45 AM
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Allan,
>>>>
>>>> At the risk of stirring up trouble.
>>>>
>>>> It appears that we need a advocate in the PV industry not a code
>>>> interpreter.
>>>> Someone who will look at the situation and look for creative ways to
>>>> work with or push for change of the code instead of
>>>> grinding us down with it.
>>>>
>>>> And we need to get this done soon as we  are being held to different
>>>> standards, and it appears that no one is on our side.
>>>> ( look at the grounding issues for a big one, but just one)
>>>>
>>>> I would think such a person would be an EE, smart, creative and
>>>> diplomatic.
>>>> If we need to get a fund together to pay for such a position it  would
>>>> be the cheapest money we've spent, and
>>>> I for one will happily pay.
>>>>
>>>> If I'm off base, my apologies  now.
>>>
>
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