CA. Senate Bill 1 [RE-wrenches]

Jeffery Wolfe, Global Resource Options jeff at globalresourceoptions.com
Fri Jun 3 08:44:16 PDT 2005


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Just as a clarification and a point of view from out east. New York does
not require a license of any sort in most areas. Specific cities have
their own requirements, the state does not. Without license we are able
to install in most residential applications. Before I get flooded with
email, please note that we support and provide training, all my lead
installers, as well as myself, are NABCEP Certified, and we take the NEC
very seriously. (More seriously apparently than a lot of the
electricians we come after.)

In Vermont we have the further interesting circumstance that not only
are we allowed to install (except in our two largest cities and in
public/commercial facilities), the local AHJ has no jurisdiction. It's
completely under the state utility regulators.

We hire licensed electricians when we believe they add value and
experience to the project. We then typically train them to understand
the PV systems that we have much more experience in. We have developed
several excellent relationships with licensed firms. Our installation
both with and without separate electricians pass inspection, and get
compliments.

Seems the CA legislation would be better if it "simply" mandated
training, rather than a license. They are supposed to be the same, but
usually end up being different.

Jeff Wolfe
Global Resource Options

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbra Kerr [mailto:bkerr at energy-exchange.org] 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:39 AM
To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
Subject: RE: CA. Senate Bill 1 [RE-wrenches]

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I guess I will put my two cents in on this topic and you may want to
give right back to me!

Please know that the NECA/IBEW labor unions are the behind this
particular
part of the bill.    Please also know that I am a member the Associated
Builders & Contractors (ABC) a merit shop (Non-union) contractor's trade
association. As a holder of both a C-10 and B license, I am in favor of
this requirement, primarily for the following reasons.

1.  The NEC (the guiding light and bible of any decent electrician) is
first and foremost written for the protection of life, life safety, and
property - not to insure that anything particular system or component
will work.  As an electrician ALL of my education, training, and in
field experience is primarily focused on these three things - and then
on engineering a system that will perform within these guidelines. This
is hammered home day-in & day-out, and we carry our bible with us
throughout the business day.  C-46's
(Plumbers) are not indoctrinated into or under the NEC code and
therefore do not possess (in general) the detailed knowledge required to
perform this work.  
2.  The only common scopes of work between a C-46 and C-10 are:
	a.  Roof mounting integration
	b.  Ground mount structures
	c.  Trench design (in most cases)
	d.  The securing of "collectors" (water or PV) to a racking
system.
     From this point on our scopes of work differ dramatically.

3.  Electrical interconnection:

	C-46's are not trained in derating of main services, CB
retaining clips, or GROUNDING.  They are not trained in box and wire
fill, or wire sizes and voltage drops.  They are not trained to
recognize if an existing service needs to be replaced even if spaces are
existing, they are not trained to do load calcs, or recognize an
existing fire hazard or what to do to prevent one.  They are not trained
in using electric meters to check voltages, current readings, and
troubleshooting of electrical systems.  In other states, such as New
York and New Jersey ONLY a C-10 can touch 600v wire and/or the main
service.  This also goes for connecting the modules in series, and the
strings in parallel.

These are my main reasons for supporting C-10s doing this work. 

Now that having been shared, PLEASE KNOW THAT THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL
OF C-46's in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA THAT HAVE LEARNED MUCH OF THIS AND DO
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT WORK - These people I know personally. And when I
have competed against them and lost - I let the clients know that they
will do a great job for them.  

Graham is right about the Scope of work defined in the CSLB.  When have
we known our government to be ahead of the curve?  Until a few years
ago, there was no such thing as Grid tied PV. 99.9% of PV was off grid
in the outback or remote locations.  No reason to include the
building/utility officials or
train people.   Let's face it, as this industry grows, the systems
(government, building, etc...) will change until we hit static and have
all the kinks and concerns addressed.  

Finally, there is nothing stopping a C-46 from testing for their C-10

Barbra K. Kerr
President
Kerr Enterprises, Inc
PO Box 1992
Twain Harte, Ca 95383
1-800-886-2258
209-586-9607 Fax
858-337-5097 Cell

-----Original Message-----
From: Marco Mangelsdorf [mailto:marco at pvthawaii.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:39 PM
To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
Subject: CA. Senate Bill 1 [RE-wrenches]

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The so-called Million Solar Roofs initiative in CA. passed the Senate
yesterday and goes off to the Assembly for debate and discussion.  One
of the more interesting and bound to be controversial items in the bill
would limit the installation of PV systems in CA., if the bill in its
current form becomes law, to C-10 license holders, thereby banning
C-46ers and B holders from doing PV jobs.  Any insight or info on how
and why this is happening?

Marco Mangelsdorf
President
ProVision Technologies, Inc.
69 Railroad Avenue, A-7
Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
(808) 969-3281, 934-7462 facsimile
www.provisiontechnologies.com

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