About the CEC [RE-wrenches]

[Peter Duchon]

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Well put, Joel.  William, you are not alone.  I can tell you an interesting
story about a wife's name being on the utility bill with the husband's name
on all the other evidence required.  I'm so happy they had the same last
name and that it wasn't a common law marriage...

Moreover, DC STC modules' Pmax per serial number of the module or as
averaged for the particular strings in a given system and the UL tested
efficiency percentage per inverter model might be the best way.  Of course,
in conjunction with a state's "certified" solar insolation per zip code.
That is, IF you have flash test data for each and every module you purchase
for use in the particular system being rebated.  We all know we are giving
consumers inaccurate power and energy estimates without their system's
modules' flash test data and the most efficient stringing of their high
voltage DC systems and knowledge of tested results concerning the chosen
inverters' efficiency.   And true enough, we can't really "estimate" the
particular weather a particular system will experience.  Also true:  there
would have to be ample inventories among module manufacturers for this to
really work prior to the given system's installation.

Perhaps the inverter manufacturers also perform some equivalent of a
module's flash testing that could be issued along with each inverter tested
and sold and used for a specific rebated system.   I believe this is already
a part of quality assurance/quality control testing common to most modern
electronics manufacturers'  ISO plants and their assembly lines (sic).

My question is why does this issue belong to the state's time and money?
They are there to administer a handout.  They should be proud to issue the
highest amount legally possible and stop quibbling about it.   Instead
they're wasting time duplicating information right in front of them -- IF
they asked for it.

Peter Duchon


-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Davidson [mailto:joeldavidson at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:43 PM
To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
Subject: Re: About the CEC [RE-wrenches]


PTC AC ratings are a waste of time. When the California incentive program
was being developed, it was decided to use PTC AC to calculate rebates to
protect consumers from sellers giving inaccurate power and energy estimates
either intentionally or from lack of knowledge. DC STC based incentives work
well in other states.
Joel Davidson

-----Original Message-----
From: William Miller <wrmiller at slonet.org>
Sent: Apr 5, 2005 12:26 AM
To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
Subject: About the CEC [RE-wrenches]


Colleagues:

In the issue of inverter listing, it appears the CEC has erred on the side
of obdurateness rather than patience.

While this issue is disturbing, it is not the only problem we have had with
the CEC.  I have found the CEC to be, on a regular basis, too arbitrary and
bureaucratic.  They appear, at times, bent on administering a dis-incentive
program.  Here are a few examples:

*It is always extremely difficult to reach people in the organization.

*We always send applications via certified mail, but after they loose
applications, they refuse too accept USPS return receipts as proof of
submission.  Other than hand delivery by a notary, what means do we have to
defend ourselves against this?

*They will reject an application for very minor typographical errors.   We
have had them sit on applications with minor typographic errors when, with
timely notification, we could correct these very minor errors.

*We are constantly having to bother our state representatives to intervene
on our behalf because there is no objective body overseeing the CEC.

Is it just us, or are others experiencing problems?

While I appreciate the good work that the CEC does, the problems such as
those described above are very frustrating.  I'd like to see us come
together to improve the CEC, protect the industry from overzealous
regulations, and to foster programs in other states.  Any suggestions on
how this can be accomplished?


William Miller
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