Grid-Tie Inverters with Batteries [RE-wrenches]

Joel Davidson joeldavidson at earthlink.net
Tue Aug 17 19:15:58 PDT 2004


 

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Hello Christopher,
$2000 for parts, labor and markup?
Joel Davidson
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From: "Christopher Freitas --- OutBack Power" <cfreitas at outbackpower.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 5:26 PM
Subject: RE: Grid-Tie Inverters with Batteries [RE-wrenches]




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William Korthof wrote:
> In fact, most of our customers start losing interest in solar-UPS
> at a cost premium of $1,000-$2,000. At the more realistic $4,000
> -$8,000 premium, all but a few loose interest.

I don't think that the additional cost of the batteries, installation
and additional switchgear HAS to end up being $4000 to $8000 - My
figuring works out to be more in the $2000 range,  assuming a relatively
small battery and only a few backed-up circuits in the house.  We need
to separate out providing some back-up power (for necessities like
lights, tv and cold beer) from trying to powering the entire house.

I know that many of the PV inverter manufacturers are working hard to
reduce the cost of including back-up capability to a PV system AND have
already improved the performance significantly.  My measurements in the
field on real side-by-side systems has shown that under ideal conditions
the grid-tie with battery system can produce 90 to 95% of the
batteryless grid-tie system's KWH output (the range depends on battery
type and size - which dictates the level of losses).  In less than ideal
conditions, the grid-tie with back-up might even exceed the batteryless
system (such as in certain partially shaded PV array conditions)

Its a lot like the issue of buying an economy car or a pick-up truck -
or a regular car and one with 4x4 capability.  The customer will need to
determine their own needs and wants.  You don't see car dealers telling
customers that they really don't need a pick-up or a 4x4... although I
might agree that sometimes they probably should...

Christopher Freitas
OutBack Power Systems, Inc.
cfreitas @ outbackpower.com
www.outbackpower.com
Arlington WA USA
Tel 360 435 6030

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