wind issues/ Bergey [RE-wrenches]

[Jay Peltz, Peltz Power]

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Hi Ezra,

I think we can look to the solar thermal industry for a basic design for
testing.

And no I do not support manufacturers 'self-test  and certification.  Too
much room for abuse.

jay




From: "Ezra Auerbach, DragonSun Consulting" <ezra at lasqueti.net>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: Re: wind issues/ Bergey [RE-wrenches]


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> Hi all,
>
> The trick will be for the collective 'us' to develop and agree on the test
> protocols and proccedures which will be used to provide independent a test
> reports.  The 'us' is pretty wide spread and encompasses groups as diverse
> as government, consumers and installers.  The actual manufacturers are, by
> proper necessity, a pretty big part ot the 'us' as well.
>
> Having worked on the collabarative process which created the NABCEP PV
> Installer Certification and standards I can only gape with awe at the
scope
> of creating  fair, transparent, and reasonable cost test protocols for the
> disparate array of renewable energy equipment we work with.
>
> I suppose this sort of thing needs to start somewhere, the old adage of
"do
> it before it gets done to you" might well apply to equipment performance
> standards.  What sort of things would Wrenches want to see as common,
> consumer comparable, test results?
>
> One thing I'm sure of is that any type of required equipment testing must
> be of reasonable cost to the manufacturer and duplicable at a wide range
of
> 'registered' test facilities.  I don't think that another round of
> expensive tests supported by a beaurocracy is any way to encourage product
> development.  From my perspective I'd like to see manufacturers 'self-test
> and certify' to widely agreed upon and published standards.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ezra Auerbach
> DragonSun Consulting
> Lasqueti Island, B.C. V0R 2J0
> ezra at lasqueti.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jay Peltz, Peltz Power <jay at asis.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:32:54 AM
> To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
> Subject: Re: wind issues/ Bergey [RE-wrenches]
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> > HI Matt,
> > nde
> > It just goes to prove my point that until we get a "independent" testing
> > program for all components of the solar industry, we'll be in this
> situation
> > all the time.
> >
> > jay
> > Peltz Power
> >
> >
> > > Who's mad?
> > >
> > > I don't believe that the accepted testing procedures are the same for
> wind
> > > as they are for PV as far as the CEC is concerned though; at least
that
> > was
> > > what I was driving at.
> > >
> > > My beef is with the methodology used in deciding what equipment is
> allowed
> > > and what isn't. Just consider the bedlam that would follow if all PV
> > modules
> > > would be required to have operated for at least one year at a1,100
> Watt/M
> > > sq. site with complete operational AND insolation data! Forget it!
This
> > > means each and every obscure module made.
> > >
> > > If this were the norm, PV technology would take eons to develop and
> > advance.
> > >
> > > If we actually want wind technology to advance to the same level as
PV,
> > > things need to change.
> > >
> > > Matt T
> > >
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