Let us not become the monster we fight today. [RE-wrenches]

[Dana Orzel]

> so dana,
>
> since "traditional" forms of fuel are subsidized to
> the tune of billions of dollars per year, are you
> saying that they aren't real industries either?
>
> jerry caldwell
> oakland, ca

Boy this is fun.

No, the world of subsidy is not a real market. Look at California's summer
of manipulated electrical markets, Look at the price structure differences
for gasoline between the US and Europe,  Look at [repeated and repeatable]
contrived oil shortages. I am not sure as to the reality of Europe's prices
either. At one point wood was traditional and so was horse drawn
transportation, however neither would be viable today. PV has a place here
and now. Let us not become the monster we fight today.

Just as putting a PV system on the White House does not make Shrub boy an
environmentalist, installing PV on subsidy does not make for a real market
when the "traditional" market would prefer to see it go away. And is just
waiting for the best opportunity to make it look like the old SHW systems
that sit dysfunctional on so many roofs. Will people 20 years down the road
be calling and say " Yeh, I have all that PV stuff on the roof can you come
and remove it? You can have it if you pull it off the roof!"  And the solar
industry will be looking back and wonder what happened. Let us not be so
blind in our greed. Let us not become the monster we fight today.

Solar got a bad name after the Carter era with all of the scam bunnies out
the selling complicated and junk systems.
I service SHW systems that are 18 to 20 years old and they are still kicking
out the BTUs.
I get such a kick out of meeting old SHW salesmen and the look in their eyes
and hearing the stories of "How much they made in those days." And they are
amazed that that shw#&^% they sold still works.

I suggest [ here we go] that all subsidies for all energy be done away with
and let the customer market decide. Let the reality of real costs, real
demand, and real production decide what the market will be. Nice dream , EH?

As Todd put it  "The real question is are they sustainable... economically
and environmentally"   Thanks Todd!

Sustainable markets should be naturally renewable and as my byline sez -
Responsible Technologies for Responsible People.
Anyone can throw pearls to swine. I do not work with people that cannot -
will not try make it through an Energy Analysis.
Do the people really want change or to just look as if they care?

I believe in grid tie totally, period this is not the issue. The grid is not
going away till free energy machines arrive. [ or $2.50/ watt PV which ever
comes first]

The issue is the natural sustainability of our industry. As my favorite
bumper sticker states - "If it swells ride it." and most of us will do just
that. But what happens to OUR industry when the swell hits the shore or a
rock. The Laws of Nature rule despite how hard we try to force reality in
another direction.
Let us not become the monster we fight today.
Let us not become the monster we fight today.
Let us not become the monster we fight today.
Good mantra try it on for size.
Keep in integrity all, do not become what rules the market at present.
Enough said.

Good night all I am going paragliding tomorrow, flying on the free and
wonderful wind, this is reality and leaves me feeling real and free.

And Graham - Glad to hear you know about the rest of our industry and that
you know how to turn a wrench.

Dana Orzel

Responsible Technologies for Responsible People.
Great Solar Works, Inc.
dana at solarwork.com - 970.626.5253
Ridgway, CO, USA

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