Fw: Update on NABCEP certification: WAKE UP !!!! people. [RE-wrenches]

Tue Jun 3 11:53:36 PDT 2003

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "matthew tritt" <solarone at charter.net>
To: "Bob-O Schultze" <econnect at snowcrest.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Update on NABCEP certification: WAKE UP !!!! people.

> Bob-O,
>
> Am I to understand that the State is going to pay 15% more in rebates for
> systems installed by NABCEP certified installers than for those done by
> others? This is a "voluntary" certification?  Is this like "voluntarily"
> joining the Bath Party?
>
> Just for your info, the best installer I know has a B license, the worst
> I've encountered was done by a C-10. Workmanship, attention to detail,
> structural know-how, depth of knowledge in concrete and metal construction
> and general intelligence in electrical/mechanical/field fabrication cannot
> be partitioned to a specific trade category.
>
> I'm beginning to believe that training by specific manufacturers might be
> more satisfying precisely because it isn't being inappropriately shoved
down
> our throats by the State.
>
> I agree with the "spirit" of movement for "voluntary" accreditation, but
> there's just something about being caught in an avalanche - you end up at
> the bottom of the hill.
>
> Flame shields bolted in place!
>
> Matt T
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bob-O Schultze" <econnect at snowcrest.net>
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 8:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Update on NABCEP certification: WAKE UP !!!! people.
>
>
> > Dear Tommi,
> > For the record, the state of California has certified and licensed me
> > as a "C10-Electrical Contractor" Lic# 613554. That means I can
> > design, install and maintain any type of RENEWABLE ENERGY system in
> > the state of California. I can also wire a factory. Don't mean a damn
> > thing if my experience and expertise isn't up to the job, does it?
> > California also allows "A" and "B" licensees to do your job as well.
> > In 99% of the cases, nothing in their training or experience has
> > ANYTHING to do with solar. Still, they can -and do- take jobs away
> > from you. California has decided-on their own and AGAINST the advice
> > of NABCEP- to encourage NABCEP certification as a way to make damn
> > sure that solar installers know their onions. Systems installed by
> > certified installers will receive a 15% better rebate than
> > non-certified systems. If you know your job well enough to pass the
> > certification test, you will have a HUGE advantage over those other
> > folks. If you feel that's an insult, you should speak to the
> > California Energy Commission. NABCEP, in my opinion, is working hard
> > to the benefit of all licensed AND qualified installers.
> > Good Luck, Bob-O
> > At 1:12 AM -0400 6/3/03, A1SOLAR at aol.com wrote:
> > >NABCEP,
> > >For the record the state of California has certified and licensed me
> > >as a "C46-Solar Contractor" Lic# 545828. Which means I can design,
> > >install and maintain any type of solar system in the state of
> > >California.
> > >
> > >Like many other solar contractors who have struggled in this
> > >industry for over 20 years. I feel this "NABCEP certification" is
> > >just a means of making money on an industry we made with a lot of
> > >hard work and sacrifice. Now some group wants to certify (test) me
> > >on an industry I help grow and not only that but charge me for the
> > >privilege. That is an insult to me and other C46-Solar Contractors.
> > >
> > >Thanks for the invite, but I feel that the State License that I hold
> > >is all that is needed to qualify me to design, install and maintain
> > >solar systems here in the state of California.
> > >
> > >Mr. Tommie L. Nellon
> > >Owner of Unlimited Energy
> > >Fresno, California.
> > >559-486-2266
> > >www.unlimited-energy.com
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Bob-O Schultze, Electron Connection
> > PO Box 203, Hornbrook, CA 96044
> > 800.945.7587 or 530.475.3402
> > fax 530-475-3401
> > www.electronconnection.com
> >
>

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