NABCEP [RE-wrenches]

[Tom Lane, Energy Conservation Services]

It  was  also the drop in oil prices as  OPEC  collapse in  February 1986
from $ 33 bucks a  barrel to $ 10 bucks a barrel  --  it was one month after
the 40% tax credit died  AND Ronald  Raygun  refused to taper the credit off
over 5 years.  Raygun never once in his lifetime said the s word in public .
so much for history -- the past is never past -- it is here today as long as
your are above ground !  opportunities pass -- time never passes it is with
us forever  unfortunately fossil fools and fuels are still running this
planet as time goes on opportunities to save  carbon  compounds  for
medicine plastics fertilizers etc for carbon  creatures  and build renewable
are only opportunities homo sapiens extinction before silicon and metal
droids eliminate carbon life  gator tom  on another planet today-----
Original Message -----
From: "Joel Davidson" <joeldavidson at earthlink.net>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: NABCEP [RE-wrenches]


> Jeff,
>
> Right on. A bad day PVing is better than the best day fossil fueling.
>
> It wasn't bad solar water heaters or inflated prices that killed the 40%
federal
> tax credit (circa 1978 to 1985). It was the Republicans with actor Ronald
Regan
> as their front man. It took them 5 years to do kill the credit, but they
are
> persistent little buggers. So keep your bug spray handy for 2003.
>
> Happy holidays
>
> "Jeffery Wolfe, Global Resource Options" wrote:
>
> > Matt,
> >
> > I suppose that might be true, although the waiting could be 'til I'm
dead,
> > or well warmed...
> >
> > I guess my biggest problem with NABCEP, and all the yelling about "bad
> > installs will ruin us" is that we're competing, really against something
> > that WILL ruin us, (fossil fuels), yet we're spending all our time
focusing
> > inward.
> >
> > I just believe that if we focused outward, and took on the cultural
> > establishment outside PV, and made the case that even a "bad" PV install
was
> > better than burning a gallon of oil, that we'd be going in the right
> > direction.
> >
> > Yes, we need to make sure we're not burning down houses. And really,
seems
> > the track record on that is pretty darn good. Probably better than the
track
> > record of torchiere lamps on that score.
> >
> > We in the RE business seem to always get caught needing to play by
different
> > rules than the dirty industries. Everyone is comparing NABCEP to ASE
> > mechanics. Do states require that all state vehicle work be done using
ASE
> > mechanics? Is anyone legislating that if an ASE mechanic does not do the
> > work on your car, then you are more personally liable for anything that
goes
> > wrong? (I know that NABCEP doesn't "want" states to require NABCEP for
> > anything, but that train seems to be pretty clearly on the tracks. Has
> > NABCEP told NYSERDA not to go that way? Seems that a letter from the
NABCEP
> > board would go a lot further than a letter from me.)
> >
> > No, we can't beat the oil companies at their game. But we can realize
the
> > rules that they are drawing up for us, and we can play by rules that WE
> > want. Yes we want to do a good job. But let's not get so wrapped up in
> > trying to make sure that EVERYONE does a good job, that the number of
jobs
> > is small.
> >
> > IMHO, bad jobs did not kill the SDHW industry. The loss of credits did.
IMHO
> > the bad jobs did not convince legislators to get rid of the credits. It
was
> > an excuse. IMHO, if the party in power wants to get rid of credits, they
> > will find a way! Whether we "give" them an excuse or not. So rather than
> > saying to all the legislators, "We'll make this stuff so that there will
be
> > NO "bad" installs", we need to say to them "This stuff is absolutely
VITAL
> > to our economy/environment/security (take your pick). Eliminate funding
AT
> > YOUR PERIL."
> >
> > (This is similar to what we've been seeing in VT. One year there can be
no
> > credits because the price of oil and electric is too high...The next
year
> > the price of oil drops, but the budget is tight...the next year there is
a
> > "misunderstanding" by IBM and they kill the legislation. And not a
single
> > "bad" install on anyone's radar screens in VT. (Not saying there aren't
any,
> > just none with press.)
> >
> > It's not necessarily the "right" way to approach it, but it is the
> > "American" way....
> >
> > Jeff Wolfe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matt Lafferty [mailto:pvpro at attbi.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 10:20 PM
> > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > Subject: Re: NABCEP [RE-wrenches]
> >
> > Jeff:
> >
> > You asked:
> >
> > >What am I doing wrong that I need to work so hard to make a buck? (And
I'm
> > not even competing against any fly-by->night operations that I know of.
> >
> > Just wait until Vermont gets rebates.  Then you'll have plenty of both;
> > bucks and fly-by-nights.
> >
> > Unless the rest of the states screw it up first......
> >
> > -Matt Lafferty
> > pvpro at attbi.com
> >
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