Installation details [RE-wrenches]

[Graham Owen]

Bill,

You are right.  I remember having to take up 40 modules to ground each 
one individualy before the rebate would be paid.  I never made that 
mistake again.

Graham

P.S. I really like Keith's comment "I think it is important for all of 
us to consider helping each other to raise the bar from both design and 
installation and not beat each other up over it!"



Bill Brooks wrote:
> Jeff and Joel,
> 
> The program with the best performing residential grid-connected PV 
> systems
> in the nation is LADWP. Why? Because they inspect every single 
> installation
> and check to make sure it is working properly, is not excessively 
> shaded,
> and is installed properly. It requires someone who is sharp and 
> well-trained
> to provide that type of review--is that so hard?
> 
> The LADWP experience is that the first few systems are often quite rough
> from a new installer. Once the installer has to go back and redo their 
> first
> few systems, they learn in a hurry how to do them right. The difference
> between doing a system right and wrong is not a lot of hours. It's 
> knowledge
> they need. Every installer must take at least a one-day installation 
> class
> and must have their systems reviewed and fix any problems before being 
> paid.
> Simple, but effective.
> 
> Is it cheap--no. Is it worth it--absolutely!
> 
> Bill.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Davidson [mailto:joeldavidson at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:23 PM
> To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> 
> 
> Dear Jeff and everyone,
> Band of PV vigilantes? Now that's an image even more ludicrous than a 
> bunch
> of
> PV stakeholders and bureaucrats cobbling together a PV rebate program 
> (just
> kidding). I think we have a functional rebate program that should not be
> changed
> until new goals are clearly defined and agreed upon. Please stop the
> finger-pointing and tone down the rhetoric and focus on continued 
> education.
> Before going off half-cocked, let's get the details about this Long 
> Beach
> system
> and suggest to the homeowner how his system can be improved.
> Best regards,
> Joel Davidson
> "Let he who is without screw-up cast the first screwdriver." - from The 
> Code
> 
> "Jeffery Wolfe, Global Resource Options" wrote:
> 
> > Bill,
> >
> > So let's empower some bureaucrats to do it better? I know that some 
> > folks
> in
> > the CA programs really know their stuff, but would the folks they hire 
> > to
> go
> > out and review/approve installs be that good?
> >
> > Bureaucracy is sometimes the solution, but not always. I think some 
> > active
> > "self-policing", without becoming a band of vigilantes, might be a 
> > better
> > solution. It should at least be tried.
> >
> > I'm with Joel on this one.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Brooks [mailto:billb at endecon.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 7:13 PM
> > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > Cc: Jeff Newmiller; Chuck Whitaker
> > Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> >
> > Okay Joel,
> >
> > How many conversations are you willing to make to fix the crap that is
> going
> > on now throughout the state? The point is that it has gotten out of hand
> and
> > the current hands-off approach just ain't workin'. This is simply a case
> in
> > point that is repeated all too often by well-meaning, incompetent 
> > people.
> >
> > Bill.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joel Davidson [mailto:joeldavidson at earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:55 PM
> > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> >
> > I think it is a good idea for you or Graham or anyone else who is
> concerned
> > about this installation at the corner of E. Deborah Street and Los 
> > Coyotes
> > Diagonal in the City of Long Beach (Los Angeles Thomas Map Book page
> 796-C2)
> > in
> > LADWP territory (not CEC) talk to the homeowner and LADWP solar program
> > personnel before making more CEC restrictions.
> >
> > Bill Brooks wrote:
> >
> > > Graham,
> > >
> > > That is lovely!!! I bet this is on a SunnyBoy inverter as well.
> Actually,
> > if
> > > they laid the panels flat on the roof and got rid of a couple of the
> extra
> > > panels, this system might actually work.
> > >
> > > So Joel, do you still hold to your opinion that everything is okay with
> > the
> > > level of restrictions in the CEC program?
> > >
> > > Bill.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Graham Owen [mailto:graham at solarexpert.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:05 AM
> > > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > > Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> > >
> > > Here is a picture of what I would consider a bad example installation.
> > > I also had absolutely nothing to do with this job.
> > >
> > > http://www.solarexpert.com/images12/competition.html
> > >
> > > By the way, I think a good piece of advice for solar thermal turned PV
> > > installer is to not use plumbing tube cutters for cutting EMT.
> > >
> > > Graham
> > >
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