Installation details [RE-wrenches]

Tue Nov 26 09:37:24 PST 2002

Hi Joel,

So far there has been a total of 2.6 MW installed in L.A.
1.5 MW through the buy-down (residential and commercial)
0.7 MW Owned by the Department for DG and Demonstration
2.6 MW combined

I know that 1.5 + 0.7 doesn’t equal 2.6; but these are numbers from 
LADWP solar management.

They also anticipate at least 6.6 MW through the solar program and have 
a $16 million per year budget.

Graham

Joel Davidson wrote:
> It is good that LADWP has inspection, training and better performing PV 
> systems.
> LADWP reports 1.4 MW of mostly commercial PV projects that have received 
> the
> rebate. Maybe Graham knows how many residential PV rebate systems are in 
> LADWP
> territory. I could not get a count from LADWP or the City Controller.
> 
> Bill Brooks wrote:
> 
> > Jeff and Joel,
> >
> > The program with the best performing residential grid-connected PV 
> > systems
> > in the nation is LADWP. Why? Because they inspect every single 
> > installation
> > and check to make sure it is working properly, is not excessively 
> > shaded,
> > and is installed properly. It requires someone who is sharp and 
> > well-trained
> > to provide that type of review--is that so hard?
> >
> > The LADWP experience is that the first few systems are often quite rough
> > from a new installer. Once the installer has to go back and redo their 
> > first
> > few systems, they learn in a hurry how to do them right. The difference
> > between doing a system right and wrong is not a lot of hours. It's 
> > knowledge
> > they need. Every installer must take at least a one-day installation 
> > class
> > and must have their systems reviewed and fix any problems before being 
> > paid.
> > Simple, but effective.
> >
> > Is it cheap--no. Is it worth it--absolutely!
> >
> > Bill.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joel Davidson [mailto:joeldavidson at earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:23 PM
> > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> >
> > Dear Jeff and everyone,
> > Band of PV vigilantes? Now that's an image even more ludicrous than a 
> > bunch
> > of
> > PV stakeholders and bureaucrats cobbling together a PV rebate program 
> > (just
> > kidding). I think we have a functional rebate program that should not be
> > changed
> > until new goals are clearly defined and agreed upon. Please stop the
> > finger-pointing and tone down the rhetoric and focus on continued 
> > education.
> > Before going off half-cocked, let's get the details about this Long 
> > Beach
> > system
> > and suggest to the homeowner how his system can be improved.
> > Best regards,
> > Joel Davidson
> > "Let he who is without screw-up cast the first screwdriver." - from The 
> > Code
> >
> > "Jeffery Wolfe, Global Resource Options" wrote:
> >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > So let's empower some bureaucrats to do it better? I know that some 
> > > folks
> > in
> > > the CA programs really know their stuff, but would the folks they hire 
> > > to
> > go
> > > out and review/approve installs be that good?
> > >
> > > Bureaucracy is sometimes the solution, but not always. I think some 
> > > active
> > > "self-policing", without becoming a band of vigilantes, might be a 
> > > better
> > > solution. It should at least be tried.
> > >
> > > I'm with Joel on this one.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bill Brooks [mailto:billb at endecon.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 7:13 PM
> > > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > > Cc: Jeff Newmiller; Chuck Whitaker
> > > Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> > >
> > > Okay Joel,
> > >
> > > How many conversations are you willing to make to fix the crap that is
> > going
> > > on now throughout the state? The point is that it has gotten out of hand
> > and
> > > the current hands-off approach just ain't workin'. This is simply a case
> > in
> > > point that is repeated all too often by well-meaning, incompetent 
> > > people.
> > >
> > > Bill.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joel Davidson [mailto:joeldavidson at earthlink.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:55 PM
> > > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > > Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> > >
> > > I think it is a good idea for you or Graham or anyone else who is
> > concerned
> > > about this installation at the corner of E. Deborah Street and Los 
> > > Coyotes
> > > Diagonal in the City of Long Beach (Los Angeles Thomas Map Book page
> > 796-C2)
> > > in
> > > LADWP territory (not CEC) talk to the homeowner and LADWP solar program
> > > personnel before making more CEC restrictions.
> > >
> > > Bill Brooks wrote:
> > >
> > > > Graham,
> > > >
> > > > That is lovely!!! I bet this is on a SunnyBoy inverter as well.
> > Actually,
> > > if
> > > > they laid the panels flat on the roof and got rid of a couple of the
> > extra
> > > > panels, this system might actually work.
> > > >
> > > > So Joel, do you still hold to your opinion that everything is okay with
> > > the
> > > > level of restrictions in the CEC program?
> > > >
> > > > Bill.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Graham Owen [mailto:graham at solarexpert.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:05 AM
> > > > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > > > Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> > > >
> > > > Here is a picture of what I would consider a bad example installation.
> > > > I also had absolutely nothing to do with this job.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.solarexpert.com/images12/competition.html
> > > >
> > > > By the way, I think a good piece of advice for solar thermal turned PV
> > > > installer is to not use plumbing tube cutters for cutting EMT.
> > > >
> > > > Graham
> > > >
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