Bird kills [RE-wrenches]

Sat Dec 7 07:53:53 PST 2002

"at least not according to some very vocal opponents."

Being vocal in does not make you right, just loud.

How many times have we seen someone really vocal and wrong? Think about it,
if all you have are rumors and innuendo you have to throw a lot of stuff to
get some to stick.
You just have to hope the opposition gives up and then you can claim a win!

I have never seen a dead bird under a turbine, but when they hit the window
they scare
 the h... out of me.

Bob

RE. Ellison
Supplier of;
Alternative Energy Systems & Supplies
34642 Countryman Road
Theresa, NY. USA
                               13691-2076

-----Original Message-----
From: matthew tritt [mailto:solarone at charter.net]
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:08 PM
To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
Subject: Re: Bird kills [RE-wrenches]

Lawrence, you have a small machine. Big raptors mainly impact big machines.
Your experience relates to your machine, not others, but you're right
anyway; way more birds eat it hitting windows, cars and power lines. And yet
this is definitely not a BS issue, at least not according to some very vocal
opponents. Saying it doesn't happen doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Elliott" <larry at energyoutfitters.com>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: Bird kills [RE-wrenches]

>
> Okay guy's. Try this one on for size.
>
> I have a Bergey 1500 on an 80 foot guyed tower.
> Just over the hill from me is the largest bald eagle nesting grounds in
> the lower 48. It is a virtual flyway for thousands of endangered and not
> endangered birds.
> In four and one half years of operation of this high speed "Popeel Meat
> Grinder and Slice and Dice I have seen exactly zero birds at the base.
> Yet I regularly get at least one bird kill per month on the fairly small
> window to the south of my home.
> So I should tear out the window or the turbine?
> I will say though that about a year ago I had a
> sh.................eating grin on my face as the local utility service
> crew tried to get service back to my neighbors (who by the way were
> without power as I watched a video) who lost it due to a large Blue
> Heron who became a Pop Tart  because of the large wing span on the three
> phase high line out along the river.
> About three months later I was designing a backup for Tom the lineman.
>
>
> Wind turbines kill birds?
>
> I say bullshit.
> I say that is just a "red herring" like so much else we have to deal
> with from left and right and others living happily inside the cozy box
> they have contructed for their minds.
>
>
> See Michael I did not once mention the dreaded FC or H word ;-)
>
> Larry Elliott
>
>
> > Perhaps, those who are concerned about wind re killing birds, should
> turn their attention to the dead oil soaked birds on the coast of Spain
> and Portugal. Smitty.
> >
> > Joel Davidson wrote:
> >
> > > Wind Wrenches only,
> > > I haven't had a wind machine since 1978, but more birds bounced off
> my mountain home picture window than ever landed on my tower. I never
> met a person who actually saw a dead bird at the base of a wind machine.
> How many dead birds at the base of wind machines have you guys actually
> seen? Where? What species?
> > > Best regards,
> > > Joel Davidson
> > > "A bird in the hand makes blowing your nose difficult."
> > >
> > > Jeff Oldham wrote:
>
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