Installation details [RE-wrenches]
Graham Owen
graham at solarexpert.com
Wed Nov 27 09:17:35 PST 2002
Joel,
This page shows pictures of some Department projects as well as proposed
projects http://web.ladwp.com/~solar/projects/index.htm
Graham
Joel Davidson wrote:
> Graham,
> Here are the LADWP numbers as of November 1, 2002. (Excuse the spacing,
> but this is
> how I received their data.)
>
> Summary of INSTALLED LA City solar power sites, kW(STC) :
>
> Main Street 16
> kW
> Westchester - Councilmember Galanter's Office 5 kW
> Woodbury University 10 kW
> Valley Center - South Truck Shed 56 kW
> John Ferraro Building ("Ra") 151 kW
> Los Angeles Convention Center, South Hall 150 kW
> Los Angeles Convention Center, Cherry Street 250 kW
>
> Total City and LADWP 638 kW
>
> Total Buydown Program 1,454 kW
>
> Total, LADWP Solar Power Programs 2,092 kW
>
> Graham Owen wrote:
>
> > Hi Joel,
> >
> > So far there has been a total of 2.6 MW installed in L.A.
> > 1.5 MW through the buy-down (residential and commercial)
> > 0.7 MW Owned by the Department for DG and Demonstration
> > 2.6 MW combined
> >
> > I know that 1.5 + 0.7 doesn’t equal 2.6; but these are numbers from
> > LADWP solar management.
> >
> > They also anticipate at least 6.6 MW through the solar program and have
> > a $16 million per year budget.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > Joel Davidson wrote:
> > > It is good that LADWP has inspection, training and better performing PV
> > > systems.
> > > LADWP reports 1.4 MW of mostly commercial PV projects that have received
> > > the
> > > rebate. Maybe Graham knows how many residential PV rebate systems are in
> > > LADWP
> > > territory. I could not get a count from LADWP or the City Controller.
> > >
> > > Bill Brooks wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jeff and Joel,
> > > >
> > > > The program with the best performing residential grid-connected PV
> > > > systems
> > > > in the nation is LADWP. Why? Because they inspect every single
> > > > installation
> > > > and check to make sure it is working properly, is not excessively
> > > > shaded,
> > > > and is installed properly. It requires someone who is sharp and
> > > > well-trained
> > > > to provide that type of review--is that so hard?
> > > >
> > > > The LADWP experience is that the first few systems are often quite rough
> > > > from a new installer. Once the installer has to go back and redo their
> > > > first
> > > > few systems, they learn in a hurry how to do them right. The difference
> > > > between doing a system right and wrong is not a lot of hours. It's
> > > > knowledge
> > > > they need. Every installer must take at least a one-day installation
> > > > class
> > > > and must have their systems reviewed and fix any problems before being
> > > > paid.
> > > > Simple, but effective.
> > > >
> > > > Is it cheap--no. Is it worth it--absolutely!
> > > >
> > > > Bill.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Joel Davidson [mailto:joeldavidson at earthlink.net]
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:23 PM
> > > > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> > > >
> > > > Dear Jeff and everyone,
> > > > Band of PV vigilantes? Now that's an image even more ludicrous than a
> > > > bunch
> > > > of
> > > > PV stakeholders and bureaucrats cobbling together a PV rebate program
> > > > (just
> > > > kidding). I think we have a functional rebate program that should not be
> > > > changed
> > > > until new goals are clearly defined and agreed upon. Please stop the
> > > > finger-pointing and tone down the rhetoric and focus on continued
> > > > education.
> > > > Before going off half-cocked, let's get the details about this Long
> > > > Beach
> > > > system
> > > > and suggest to the homeowner how his system can be improved.
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Joel Davidson
> > > > "Let he who is without screw-up cast the first screwdriver." - from The
> > > > Code
> > > >
> > > > "Jeffery Wolfe, Global Resource Options" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Bill,
> > > > >
> > > > > So let's empower some bureaucrats to do it better? I know that some
> > > > > folks
> > > > in
> > > > > the CA programs really know their stuff, but would the folks they hire
> > > > > to
> > > > go
> > > > > out and review/approve installs be that good?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bureaucracy is sometimes the solution, but not always. I think some
> > > > > active
> > > > > "self-policing", without becoming a band of vigilantes, might be a
> > > > > better
> > > > > solution. It should at least be tried.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm with Joel on this one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Bill Brooks [mailto:billb at endecon.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 7:13 PM
> > > > > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > > > > Cc: Jeff Newmiller; Chuck Whitaker
> > > > > Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> > > > >
> > > > > Okay Joel,
> > > > >
> > > > > How many conversations are you willing to make to fix the crap that is
> > > > going
> > > > > on now throughout the state? The point is that it has gotten out of hand
> > > > and
> > > > > the current hands-off approach just ain't workin'. This is simply a case
> > > > in
> > > > > point that is repeated all too often by well-meaning, incompetent
> > > > > people.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Joel Davidson [mailto:joeldavidson at earthlink.net]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:55 PM
> > > > > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it is a good idea for you or Graham or anyone else who is
> > > > concerned
> > > > > about this installation at the corner of E. Deborah Street and Los
> > > > > Coyotes
> > > > > Diagonal in the City of Long Beach (Los Angeles Thomas Map Book page
> > > > 796-C2)
> > > > > in
> > > > > LADWP territory (not CEC) talk to the homeowner and LADWP solar program
> > > > > personnel before making more CEC restrictions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Brooks wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Graham,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That is lovely!!! I bet this is on a SunnyBoy inverter as well.
> > > > Actually,
> > > > > if
> > > > > > they laid the panels flat on the roof and got rid of a couple of the
> > > > extra
> > > > > > panels, this system might actually work.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So Joel, do you still hold to your opinion that everything is okay with
> > > > > the
> > > > > > level of restrictions in the CEC program?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Graham Owen [mailto:graham at solarexpert.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:05 AM
> > > > > > To: RE-wrenches at topica.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Installation details [RE-wrenches]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is a picture of what I would consider a bad example installation.
> > > > > > I also had absolutely nothing to do with this job.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.solarexpert.com/images12/competition.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By the way, I think a good piece of advice for solar thermal turned PV
> > > > > > installer is to not use plumbing tube cutters for cutting EMT.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Graham
> > > > > >
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