A Consensus (and the wish list) [RE-wrenches]

[Travis Creswell, Ozark Solar]

William,

I am not worried about the Trace wish list or anything else that is being or
has been discussed recently.  If only life was that simple.  What I am
talking about is what I see as the potential for a major rift in the
Wrenches forum/family.  I am afraid that a Wrench might have long
conversations with manufactures and/or legislators using the power of a
national group of dealer installers without the approval of the group.  Of
course it's a free country and we all can do what we want to.

Let me try a example that should hit you right in the chest... Imagine how
you would feel if I started into talks with Trace as a Travis, RE-Wrench
Member, representing the RE-Wrenches claiming that the Wrenches didn't like
people who only installed.  I could tell Trace that we all felt that
manufacturers should start a policy that they not honor the warranty unless
the equipment was installed by the dealer.  I would also be talking to other
manufactuers claiming that I had others considering this seriously.  Of
course I would ultimately  be discovered as a separatist but I could really
do a lot of damage to the RE-Wrenches before I was done.  The point that I
am making is I would have a lot more clout in my mission as Travis,
RE-Wrench Representative than Travis, Ozark Solar.  BTW, the above is an
example and I don't feel that way (about you anyway).

Your suggestion of a deadline is an good one.  If someone has a suggestion
they have until then (or whatever date we agree to) add their input.

Travis

----- Original Message -----
From: William Miller <wrmiller at slonet.org>
To: <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Cc: RE-wrenches <RE-wrenches at topica.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: A Consensus (and the wish list) [RE-wrenches]


> Travis:
>
> Let me see if I understand:  You haven't had time to keep up on e-mail, so
> your worried about us submitting the wish list to Trace without your
having
> time to review it?  If that's the case, your concern sounds reasonable.  I
> suggest we set a deadline to submit the list to Trace and then do so.  How
> about Feb 15?
>
> I don't feel there is a lot of contention on the content of the wish list.
> There are a few points upon which we do not all agree, i.e. default
charge
> settings.  I don't think this kills the deal.  I suggest we submit the
list
> to Trace and encourage dialog with their engineers.  After all, this is
> free R&D.  They may take our ideas and improve upon them, or convince us
> one or two of them are not such good ideas after all.  I always support
> large group brainstorming-- one person suggests something that inspires an
> idea in someone else, etc.
>
> How do we know that Trace will be receptive to this wish list?  Has
someone
> given them a heads up?  I suppose they have been reading it as it elopes,
> if they are paying any attention at all to us (and I hope we rate, in
their
> estimation, enough for them to be watching this list).
>
> Should we present our ideas to Vanner as well, in the spirit of fostering
> competition?
>
> I also propose that Michael Welch write Trace (and Vanner, if we so
decide)
> an introductory letter buttering them up and asking them to review our
wish
> list shortly after the deadline.  How about it Michael?
>
> I look forward to comments.
>
> William Miller


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