Spam from Topica [RE-wrenches]

[Jeffrey Wolfe, Global Resources]

Michael,

I do not think you owe us an apology. You have done your best. Topica 
apparently lied to you. Thank you for the heads up warning. I have already 
sent my complaint email in.

Thanks for all the work you do on this.

Jeff

Jeffery D. Wolfe, P.E.
Global Resource Options, LLP
A Woman-Owned Vermont Limited Liability Partnership
4 Kibling Hill Road
P.O. Box 51
Strafford, VT 05072
802/765-4632
802/765-9983 (Fax)
global at sover.net
www.globalresourceoptions.com


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From: 	Michael Welch, Home Power[SMTP:michael.welch at homepower.com]
Reply To: 	RE-wrenches at topica.com
Sent: 	Saturday, November 04, 2000 2:57 PM
To: 	RE-wrenches at topica.com
Subject: 	Spam from Topica [RE-wrenches]

Dear list members,

I owe you all an apology.

We use Topica as our list server for this list. I have other lists served 
by Topica, as well. I have recently been informed that Topica is planning 
on sending periodic email messages to everyone that is on each of the lists 
they serve. That means you, and hundreds of thousands of others.

It is very unfortunate in that one of the things they promised me as a list 
manager is that nobody will spam my Topica list members. I based my choice 
of Topica on this promise, at least in part.

This has been a subject of heated discussion among Topica's vast number of 
list managers. To me, what they want to do is spam us. They say they are 
trying to inform you of Topica services, and they do not consider it spam. 
They feel they have a right to your addresses. To me, they are stealing 
addresses of our list members for their own commercial purposes.

Most list owners feel they are just that; owners of the right to singularly 
manage our members' addresses. We are the ones to determine what kind of 
email gets sent to our members. They are stealing your addresses from me as 
owner and, since this list is yours, you too. What they intend to do is 
highly unethical.

This is unfortunate as Topica has been an excellent company for us list 
managers to deal with. But for them to betray their own promise to all of 
us is something I cannot abide with. We list managers have been unable to 
sway them from their intentions. Some other list managers are not as 
uncomfortable with this new policy as I am, and are willing to put up with 
it. A handful actually agree that Topica should have this right.

I will be searching for a new way to deal with managing this list. I hope 
to find a suitable list server soon, but I may not be able to do that 
before they get a chance to send their first spam, which is scheduled for 
"sometime in November."

If you get their spam before I have the chance to move our list, I 
encourage you to NOT validate their spamming policy by clicking on any of 
their enclosed links, and I further encourage you to complain in writing to 
the following email addresses:

abuse at get.topica.com
"Ariel Poler" <ariel at get.topica.com>  (this is Topica's CEO)
abuse@(your host here)
postmaster@(your host here)
michael.welch at homepower.com

If you are on any other Topica mail lists, I encourage you to complain 
directly to the list and the list manager about Topica's new policy.

Once again, I apologize for their betrayal of trust.

Michael Welch

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"Society is like a stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you get a lot of 
scum on top."

			Edward Abbey

Michael Welch, michael.welch at homepower.com www.homepower.com
      Associate Editor, Home Power magazine
      Office Coordinator, Redwood Alliance
      (Not HP mag's #s) 707-822-7884 fax: 707-822-3481


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