<div dir="auto"><div>Jason, <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Back to your comment about Wagos. First of all, I have had some jurisdictions in NY complain about them in 3R boxes. Even after I got it in writing from Wago that while not approved for wet locations, they are ok in a 3R box. Squirting some no-ox has helped the jurisdiction with that. It's not a big deal to do, so I've given up fighting that. But I figured I'd share in case others run into that issue.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But to your point about PV wire fitting in. I have noticed that the 600v PV wire I get does just barely fit into the 221-612 wago nuts. The 1000v PV wire definitely will not.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto">Dave</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 11, 2025, 7:49\u202fPM Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><a href="https://www.staubli.com/content/dam/ecs/technical-documentation/assembly-instructions/RE/PV_MA231-en.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.staubli.com/content/dam/ecs/technical-documentation/assembly-instructions/RE/PV_MA231-en.pdf</a></div><br></div><div dir="auto">Page 4 states:<div dir="auto">\u201cThermal stress</div><div dir="auto">Ensure that the connector is not exposed to excessive thermal stress. </div><div dir="auto">\u2022 Install the connector in such a way that sufficient heat dissipation is ensured. </div><div dir="auto">\u2022 Installation in areas that restrict the air flow (e.g. in large bundles, in split looms or other housings) is not permitted. </div><div dir="auto">\u2022 Direct burial of the connector is not permitted.\u201d</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think a junction box would be considered a housing that restricts air flow. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 7:31\u202fPM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto"><div><div>We're talking about inside a junction box (NEMA 3R or 4, for example), not an "outdoor environment." Wagos (and other connectors like wire nuts, Polaris Taps, power distribution blocks, terminal blocks, etc) are allowed inside of a rooftop junction box, just like they are allowed in various switch boxes, enclosures, and cabinets that are suitable for the environment outdoors. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For the same reason you can put circuit breakers inside of a NEMA 3R load center outdoors, you can use splice connectors of many kinds inside of a NEMA 3R enclosure. They do not need to be listed for "outdoors" because it is not outdoors. It's enclosed and adequately protected from the environment. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In other words, any AHJ that challenges me on this, I just ask them to show me a circuit breaker that's listed for use in a wet location. That's usually enough to shut them down.</div></div></div><div dir="auto"><div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br>Jason Szumlanski<div><span style="font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(51,51,51)">NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span></div><div><font face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208</font></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 11, 2025, 7:11\u202fPM Glenn <<a href="mailto:glenn.burt@glbcc.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">glenn.burt@glbcc.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto"><div>I have not found a listing for Wagos in an outdoor environment.</div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">-Glenn</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 11, 2025 18:01, Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">We have had terrific success using Wagos in rooftop junction boxes for splicing #12 Enphase cable to #10 home run THWN. We have no issues whatsoever with these.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Unfortunately, the #10 PV wire insulation is too large for the Wago 221-6XX series. We have been buying #14-#4 Polaris taps and it's getting very expensive. I would like an alternative.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">For a while we were using the King Innovation AlumiConn purple "suitcase" connectors for Enphase, but they are only 300V rated and I don't think the PV Wire insulation fits in those, either, for <300V applications. </div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I have seen people using MC4 connectors in rooftop junction boxes like Blake suggested, but I wasn't sure if that is acceptable practice to use them this way (in an enclosure), and it does require a pretty large junction box. We prefer to use the EZ Solar JB-# series of boxes. The rail mount ones (JB-3) are pretty small, but the tile roof JB-2 is huge, and the shingle JB-1 is sizable as well. I guess if there is no prohibition against using them in an enclosure, then it should be allowed. I do like the watertight nature of this solution.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I have seen some clowns using MC4 connectors with #10 THHN wire to make these splices. That's obviously no bueno. Crazy stuff...</div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br>Jason Szumlanski<div><span style="font-family:roboto,robotodraft,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'roboto','robotodraft','helvetica','arial',sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:roboto,robotodraft,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(51,51,51)">NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'roboto','robotodraft','helvetica','arial',sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:roboto,robotodraft,helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span></div><div><font face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208</font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 4:44\u202fPM Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr">Hi Adam, <div>This response is just to you. Is NYSERDA the inspection agency you are talking about? Cause they have given me issues about using Wago Nuts inside a 3R box, even after I got a statement from Wago saying that it is okay to put it inside a 3R box. But squirting a bit of No-Ox in there seems to make them happy about it. The one time we put one inside a 3R panel board to extend a short wire and forgot to put No-Ox on that one, they gave us a 2 out of 5 on the inspection, even though that was the only thing noted in the entire inspection report! But I would be curious if the point you make above will work with NYSERDA?</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers, </div><div>Dave </div></div><br><div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 4:16\u202fPM AE Solar via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="2" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">We had an inspection agency that was giving us a hard time about using buchanan crimps in junction boxes because they aren't rated for outdoor/damp locations. The point was made (on this listserve) that "<i>if the inside of a 3R enclosure isn't considered dry enough for a buchanan crimp/cap, then there's millions of 3R panels with breakers and busbars in them that would have the same problem</i>". The inspection agency finally relented. We put a little No-Alox in the cap. I know that's not what your initial post was about, but tossing that in for consideration just in case...</font></div><div><font size="2" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></font></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Adam Katzman (he/him)<br>Autonomous Energies | Owner/Operator</div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.autonomousenergies.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.AutonomousEnergies.com</a><br>(518) 567-1468<br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 3:51\u202fPM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Hi Sam</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I can\u2019t imagine being just copper it would matter, the AHJ might have a different opinion however </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Question. </div><div dir="ltr">How are you insulating them?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jay</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote>On Nov 11, 2025, at 11:15\u202fAM, Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote><div dir="ltr">\ufeff<div dir="ltr">Wrenches,<br><br>On the attached product spec sheet for Ideal Copper Crimps (aka Buchanan crimps) you'll see that max voltage for the crimp is rated at 600V but an asterisk indicates up to 1000V when "in fixtures and signs". In our application this is a 1000v system and we are joining pairs of #10 PV wires. The junctions are made in a rail-mounted, plastic j-box. We could not find the definition of "fixture" as it might pertain to this situation in the NEC and as such are interested to learn more about using Buchanan crimps for 1000V applications.<div><div><br></div><div><div><image.png></div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Sam<br> <div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif"><tbody style="font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif"><tr style="font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif"><td style="padding:0px 10px 0px 0px;vertical-align:top;font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif"><a href="https://onsiteenergyinc.com/" style="border:medium;font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><img src="https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/675cb4f269e8da457106c938/67acde8cf274634235411bdd_email-sig-logo-onsite-energy.png" alt="OnSite Energy" align="top" width="95" height="95" style="display:block;font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif"></a></td><td style="padding:0px;vertical-align:top;font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif"><tbody style="font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif"><tr style="font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif"><td style="padding:0px 10px 0px 0px;vertical-align:bottom;font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif"><div style="padding:0px;font-size:14pt;font-weight:600;text-transform:uppercase;font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(81,76,160)">Sam Haraldson</div><div style="padding:0px;font-size:11pt;font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(249,161,69)">Operations Specialist</div><div style="padding:0px;font-size:8pt;font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(81,76,160)">(406) 551-6135</div><div style="padding:0px;font-size:8pt;font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(81,76,160)"><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/1515+N.+Rouse+Ave+Bozeman,+MT+59715?entry=gmail&source=g" style="font-family:carlito,tahoma,sans-serif" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">1515 N. 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