<div dir="ltr">Dave,<div><br></div><div>Well that's a new term I've never heard before. Please explain the Florida Hurricane Tap sir. Is this perhaps for generator use?</div><div><br></div><div>Christopher</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 11, 2025 at 9:41\u202fAM Drake Chamberlin via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
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<div>On Aug 9, 2025, at 11:26\u202fAM, Foxfire Energy via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="auto">True. if you want to do grid, gen, and AC Couple then you need a transfer switch or contactor. </div>
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<div>I do like the idea of just removing the old GT inverter and stuffing that into the AIO, elegant</div>
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<div>yes its my understanding that Tesla won't accept generator. While many are pissed off at eg4, I won't touch tesla.</div>
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<div>and FYI you can buy the same inverter at Fortress. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Option 1 is only preferred if gaining access to the existing inverter for replacement is difficult. An example would be a micro-inverter system.</div>
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