<div dir="auto">Jason, Wrenches,<div dir="auto">Consensus well that may not be the correct word to use, personally l have used Solark for retrofitting systems that already have GT type inverters, if you go with AC Coupling then the gen set connection is a little more complicated but very doable.</div><div dir="auto">Funtimes</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 11:26\u202fAM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I go with "Backup Loads" on my drawings.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Tesla will not charge from a generator. But you can obviously have a generator power the loads via a transfer switch if the battery is completely depleted. It's not the best solution, for sure. </div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br>Jason Szumlanski<div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP)</span><br style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956</span></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Florida Certified Electrical Contractor EC13013208</font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 1:57\u202fPM jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Yeah I\u2019ve given up trying to correct people on that one.<div><br></div><div><br id="m_-485678509211641469m_-923986331123272988lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 9, 2025, at 11:26\u202fAM, Foxfire Energy via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Umm, just an FYI, I actually got dinged for labeling the AC output panel from a battery backup inverter as "Critical Loads".. Critical loads (Critical Branch circuits) are defined in article 100 of the NEC as circuits associated with Patient Care.. AC loads from battery backup inverters are more appropriately defined as "Dedicated Loads".. </div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Maybe someone could correct me here, but I'm under the impression most garden-variety inverters are not rated for Critical Load applications.</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">db</div><div id="m_-485678509211641469m_-923986331123272988appendonsend" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"></div><hr style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display:inline-block;width:742.828px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"></span><div id="m_-485678509211641469m_-923986331123272988divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b><span> </span>RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> on behalf of William Miller via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Saturday, August 9, 2025 1:03 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span>William Miller <<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">william@millersolar.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Adding battery to grid tie</font><div> </div></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Correct me if <span>I'm wrong: I believe AIOs can accept AC coupled power through the load \u2018output\u2019 port. That leaves the Grid and Gen inputs free for their roles as labelled. </span><div dir="auto"><font face="-apple-system, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir="auto"><font face="-apple-system, sans-serif">The AC coupled inverters connect via a breaker in the critical loads panel. </font></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><font face="-apple-system, sans-serif"></font><div dir="auto"><br><div><div dir="ltr">William Miller<br>Miller Solar.com<br>805-438-5600<br><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">www.millersolar.com</a><br></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 9:50\u202fAM david quattro via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">True. if you want to do grid, gen, and AC Couple then you need a transfer switch or contactor. </div><div dir="auto"> Likewise I haven\u2019t touched a Powerwall, nor an Enphase battery. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 9:36\u202fAM jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>One big issue with the AIO\u2019s is that you can\u2019t do grid, generator and ac coupling to the best of my understanding <div><br></div><div>I do like the idea of just removing the old GT inverter and stuffing that into the AIO, elegant</div><div><br></div><div>yes its my understanding that Tesla won\u2019t accept generator. While many are pissed off at eg4, I won\u2019t touch tesla.</div><div><br></div><div>and FYI you can buy the same inverter at Fortress. </div><div><br></div><div>thanks everyone.</div><div><br></div><div>jay</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Aug 9, 2025, at 10:28\u202fAM, Tyrone Houck via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="auto"><div>Midnite AIO and Sol-Ark both work great for AC coupling in my experience. If anyone is new to "All In One" inverters I recommend having tech support walk you through commissioning, check firmware, etc. the first time. </div><div><br></div><div><br> <span> </span></div></div><br><div><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 8:47\u202fAM William Miller via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Two options:<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. AC couple existing inverter to a battery capable inverter. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2. Replace existing inverter. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I favor option 2. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Option 1 is only preferred if gaining access to the existing inverter for replacement is difficult. An example would be a micro-inverter system.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">New AIO inverters allow true high voltage PV input so the existing stringing will probably not need to be modified. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">I\u2019m new to this so type of upgrade so I welcome any corrections to these opinions. I did replace a Sunny Boy in my shop with a Soul Ark and it\u2019s working great!</div><div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">William Miller<br>Miller Solar.com<br>805-438-5600<br><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.millersolar.com</a><br></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 8:26\u202fAM Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Is there a consensus as to what equipment to use for adding battery backup to normal GT inverter? <span> </span><br><br><br><br>I\u2019ve had a few people ask and I actually haven\u2019t done it.<span> </span><br><br>Thx<span> </span><br>Jay<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>Pay optional member dues here:<span> </span><a href="http://re-wrenches.org/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List Address:<span> </span><a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>There are two list archives for searching. 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