<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">I have a suggestion.<div><br></div><div>The Atkinson is pretty amazing. What if you set up each generator with 1 GSCM. </div><div>Start signal is sent to generator #1 and the GSCM tries but the generator doesn\u2019t start, I believe it has a fault circuit which maybe you could use to trigger generator #2 GSCM AGS start sequence.</div><div><br></div><div>Just a thought</div><div><br></div><div>jay</div><div><br></div><div> <br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 22, 2025, at 11:50\u202fAM, William Miller via RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dan:</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The application is an off-grid animal rescue facility with a requirement for high reliability. We recently acquired a second generator and a Kohler RDT transfer switch. The RDT will automatically transfer to either of two inputs based on where AC is detected. However the RDT logic is not capable of transferring the start signal if one generator fails to start.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I looked at the Atkinson web site but I did not see anything that was quite right. It may be that they can create something but then I would miss out on that part of the fun.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It\u2019s easy to overlook how complicated it is starting an internal combustion engine. You have to crank until the engine starts, you can\u2019t crank too long, you need to try multiple times, etc. This is why the Trace SW 3-wire start circuitry was so amazing.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I sketched out an electro-mechanical solution but I soon realized the logic was a bit too complicated. The inverter will want to attempt the start multiple times before giving up. I\u2019d like to do the same and then switch to starting the second generator after maybe 3 failed attempts at starting Gen 1. It seems I need to code some kind of script to execute this logic. This is where the Control by Web solution seems to be the best fit. I have used their products and they are excellent.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If others are interested I can post back when I crack this nut.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks everyone for your collective wisdom and comradery!</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">William Miller</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Miller Solar</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">805-438-5600</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: blue;">www.millersolar.com</span></a></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">CA Lic. 773985</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dan Fink [mailto:<a href="mailto:danbob88@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">danbob88@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, February 22, 2025 9:07 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">william@millersolar.com</a>; RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator failure alarm</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </p><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">William - have you talked to Atkinson in Utah? Last time I talked to them they could configure just about anything for such applications.</div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); border: 1pt windowtext; padding: 0in;">Dan Fink</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">Owner, Buckville Energy Consulting LLC</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">IREC Certified Instructor for PV and Small Wind Installation</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">NABCEP Certified PV System Inspector</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">NABCEP PV Associate</span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);"><a href="mailto:dan.fink@greendustrialtraining.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">d</a><a href="mailto:anbob88@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">anbob88@gmail.com</a></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; vertical-align: baseline;"><span style="font-size: 9.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">970-672-4342</span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><br> </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </p><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 1:54\u202fPM William Miller via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div></div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 1pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image: none; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" type="cite"><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Colleagues:</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Is anyone aware of an off-the-shelf device that will give me a contact closure if a generator is called and does not produce AC after a set amount of time? I am sure I could design and build one but before I do I\u2019d like to see if there is a ready-made version.</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">I hope I am not making a pest of myself asking so many questions\u2026</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Thanks in advance.</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"> </p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">William Miller</div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>Pay optional member dues here:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://re-wrenches.org/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List Address:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>There are two list archives for searching. 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