<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Way to complicated. The \u201chalf wave load\u201d is as described earlier. It is a cheap way to get a hair drier (or other heater) with a three-way switch to have air, half power and full power. The half power routes the hot side through a diode so that the heating element only get half power. Full power is no diode. This can cause trouble with some inverters, and I am sure is a terrible (noisy) load on any AC line, but it is cheap and they don\u2019t care about the side affects. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 21, 2024, at 2:05 PM, pieter <a href="http://offgridenterprises.org" class="">offgridenterprises.org</a> via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Nomenclature! After all of this discussion it sounds like \u201chalf wave load\u201d is being used to describe a load that is only using one of the two 120 volt legs a standard 120/240 split phase inverter provides. That being the case the AC output current rating should be looked at. For example an inverter rated at 9KW might have a 37.5 amp max output current rating. That means the inverter is only rated to supply 37.5 amps per leg. So in other words 120VAC X 37.5 amps =4500 Watts, (at unity power factor) or 240AC X 37.5 amps =9000Watts (at unity power factor). If a load is connected on one of the two 120 volt line to Neutral legs and the current exceeds 37.5amps the load will exceed the inverter rating. If the power factor is not 1, then the output watts can be less than the output VA.. It is possible that what is being referred to as a \u201chalf wave load\u201d could more accurately be described as an unbalanced load. That being the case the total load on the inverter may be less than the specified load rating, but the load current on one \u201cleg\u201d maybe more than the inverter rated output current. If the leg currents are measured and found not be reasonably balanced it may be possible to correct the issue by re arranging circuit breakers in the MDP.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Pieter Huebner<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Project Manager<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Off Grid Enterprises<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); text-decoration: underline;" class="">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jay via RE-wrenches<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, December 21, 2024 10:55 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); text-decoration: underline;" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jay <<a href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); text-decoration: underline;" class="">jay.peltz@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] 1/2 wave loads<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">I can\u2019t remember if I sent the update.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">We identified the load as a Japanese bidet. Once unplugged everything is working normally. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">So whatever people want to call the 1/2 wave. It\u2019s what multiple OEMS call it. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">If I can find an oscilloscope I\u2019ll send along what the wave form looks like. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">Jay<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">On Dec 19, 2024, at 10:11<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">\u202f</span>AM, Jesse Dahl via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); text-decoration: underline;" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">\ufeff</span>I think about resistive loads as \u201cin-phase\u201d. Half-wave seem like they would a load with a diode blocking one side of the waveform. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">Sent from my iPhone<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">On Dec 18, 2024, at 3:03<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">\u202f</span>PM, Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); text-decoration: underline;" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">\ufeff</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">I will add that I\u2019ve heard privately off list that it\u2019s actually smaller loads that seem to be the issue. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">And larger 1500 watt electric heaters seem to work ok. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">I\u2019m wondering if anyone else has come across this issue and I guess more importantly is there a fix? <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">Jay<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">On Dec 18, 2024, at 1:52<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">\u202f</span>PM, Jay <<a href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); text-decoration: underline;" class="">jay.peltz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">\ufeff</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">Here is what I understand 1/2 wave loads to be. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">As I understand it, Heater loads are the main issue. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">Toasters, toaster ovens, hair dryers, aquarium/terraium heaters etc. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">But if there are other things pls let us know <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">Jay<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">On Dec 18, 2024, at 1:34<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">\u202f</span>PM, GLBCC via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); text-decoration: underline;" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">\ufeff</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">What is a half wave load?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;" class="">On Dec 18, 2024 13:35, Jay via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); text-decoration: underline;" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><p class="">Hi all.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">I\u2019ve recently been made aware that the fortress inverter isn\u2019t too happy with 1/2 wave loads.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">I\u2019m wondering if this is an issue with the AIO or solark?<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">Thanks in advance<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">Jay<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="">Pay optional member dues here:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://re-wrenches.org/" style="color: rgb(70, 120, 134); 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