<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Can you explain what changes the eg4 18 inverter has vs the Envy as to LA programming?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To me the Envy has a big advantage due to it having AGS warm up/cool down that the EG4 does not.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jay</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 10, 2024, at 7:49 AM, Howie Michaelson via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">John,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">If you are thinking of pairing the Envy with lead-acid batteries, I would strongly suggest not doing it. Even though Fortress sales advertises the Envy to be compatible with lead-acid, after trying it in my off-grid home, I would emphatically say that it is not. The programming is inadequate, to put it kindly. And their support really doesn't have a clue about lead-acid - Fortress support literally said that they don't recommend pairing the Envy with l-a. However, I don't have an opinion about how it does with closed loop Li batteries. <br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I did recently install an EG4 18k system, off-grid, with the client's knowledge that this was a bit of an experiment for me. Both the Envy and the EG4 are made by LuxPower and have been, to date, physically and programmatically almost identical. I had stayed away from EG4 since it seemed to be primarily aimed at the DIY market. However, the 18k appears to be a serious contender so far, although this installation is a fairly low stress situation. I've been fairly impressed with the system. While this 18k is paired with EG4 Lithium batteries, EG4 has been making adjustments to the firmware to make it much more friendly to lead-acid. If you decide to go this route, check with EG4 (installer support - ask for Jarrett or Colt) to see where they are at with upgrading the firmware.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I am also eagerly awaiting Midnite's AIO entry...<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br clear="all" class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="">Howie<br class=""></div></div></div><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 9:02\u202fAM John Blittersdorf via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">Time will tell where the failure modes are. I still don't like all the eggs in one basket. Do you have to send the units back for repair? Had enough of that with Trace SW series inverters.. <div class="">For off grid, I'll stick to the tried and true for now. For Grid tie it is just a financial hit. For off-grid power loss it is more important to deal with right away.. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am going to try a Fortress Envy at my off grid home but will keep my Outback field repairable VFXR wired in just in case. I had a massive lightning strike between my house and a guest cabin 1/4 mile away and I lost power from my Fortress Eflex battery at the cabin and my Outback inverter at my house. I replaced the control board on my inverter ( I always keep one in reserve as it is usually the only board failure due to lightning) and was back on line in 1/2 hour and Fortress rushed me a new BMS board for the E-flex and a day later and a half hour swap had it back in service, Now it is a different story with 2 Simpliphi batteries I have from a customer that failed. I have to ship them to California to have them evaluated to see if we had damaged them by misuse. Lots of expense and time lost.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">John Blittersdorf</div><div class="">CV Wind Service / Off Grid Vermont</div><div class="">802-770-8625</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 11:43\u202fPM Scot Arey via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Wow, are we in the golden age of inverter/chargers? If it had 200-a.p pass thru it would be near perfect.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Begs the question: are stand alone charge controllers becoming a historical artifact?</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div id="m_8124941745268005260m_1310055173889758129ms-outlook-mobile-signature" dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Howard "Scot" Arey</div><div dir="auto" class="">Owner, Solar CenTex</div><div dir="auto" class="">254-300-1228</div></div></div>
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