<div dir="ltr">Hi<div><br></div><div>Since battery reliance brings it's own set of challenges there have been some products that have used built in storage that is battery free.</div><div><br></div><div>Fridges can be found that use ice in the walls and/or top to store cool. So no battery needed. Mostly used for DC clinics where vaccines are stored but Sundanzer may have some that are more domestic oriented.</div><div><br></div><div>Another energy storage "appliance" are pumps that can use stored water as a way around the battery.</div><div><br></div><div>Steve McCarney,President - Sunny Day LLC</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 12:20\u202fAM Philip Boutelle via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Haven't seen this discussed on the list yet: startups are making appliances with integrated batteries,"Energy Storage Equipped" appliances. <a href="https://www.volts.wtf/p/induction-stoves-with-batteries-built#details" target="_blank">Good podcast interview</a> with someone from DOE on how these are being funded and developed</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.channingcopper.com/" target="_blank">This induction range</a> is a 120V/15A plug and play replacement for a gas range, without needing to run a 240V circuit. The 4 kWh battery handles the intermittent peak load, and slowly recharges at 120V. Battery provides backup power during outages, and you can plug a refrigerator in too. </div><div><br></div><div>I haven't seen any heat pump water heater ESEs yet, but there is a 15A/120V <a href="https://www.rheem.com/heatpumpwaterheaters/" target="_blank">Rheem plug-in HPWH</a>. </div><div><br></div><div>Neither one is a good fit for off-grid, more for people trying to electrify but want to avoid rewiring the whole house. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:7.5pt;font-size:12.8px;line-height:9pt"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(80,0,80)">--</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:7.5pt;font-size:12.8px;line-height:9pt"><b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)">Phil Boutelle,</span></b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"> </span><b><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)">PE, CEM, NABCEP Emeritus</span></b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(33,33,33)"> | Energy Engineer<br><a href="mailto:philboutelle@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(71,124,204)">philboutelle@gmail.com</span></a> | M <a href="tel:%28831%29%20359-5268" target="_blank">(831) 359-5268</a></span></p></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 2:36\u202fPM David Palumbo via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal">I have old off-grid friends looking for advice on replacing an old LP Gas range. Here is their email they sent me. Wrench advice will be appreciated!</p><ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li style="margin-left:0in">Dave Palumbo</li></ul><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><< We are ready to replace our cook stove, it is a Premier & we love it but have had problems finding parts for it & people to work on it.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The only major appliance co who makes a cordless/non-convection oven range is Hotpoint, which is pretty basic but could work. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://products.geappliances.com/appliance/hotpoint-specs/RGBS200DMWW#tab2_" target="_blank">https://products.geappliances.com/appliance/hotpoint-specs/RGBS200DMWW#tab2_</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The other one we are looking at is a Unique Appliances brand propane stove - for off-grid use - their \u201cclassic retro\u201d model doesn\u2019t have great reviews but the basic model sounds good.<u></u><u></u></p><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="228" style="width:171pt;background:rgb(233,233,235);border-collapse:collapse"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0in"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><UGP30GOF<span style="color:black">1W-1.jpg></span><u></u><u></u></p></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0in"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="228" style="width:171pt;background:rgb(233,233,235)"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:6pt 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:black"><a href="https://uniqueappliances.com/product/off-grid-classic-30-propane-range/" target="_blank"><span style="color:black">Off-Grid Classic 30\u201d Propane Range (Battery Ignition)</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black"><a href="https://uniqueappliances.com/product/off-grid-classic-30-propane-range/" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(162,162,169)">uniqueappliances.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:8.5pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I\u2019m wondering if you are familiar with the Unique Appliances brand & if you\u2019d recommend them? <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">We also considered the Premier \u201cPro Series\u201d ranges but they are spendy & I\u2019m afraid we\u2019ll run into the same trouble finding parts & someone who will work on them, which could also be an issue for Unique. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Any thoughts or suggestions on the topic? >><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div>
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