<div dir="ltr">Dave<div>just loop the wires and leave them suspended and if they are over the rail even better you will never see them</div><div>Jerry</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 6:33 PM Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Jerry,<div dir="auto">Sorry for any confusion there. With that first photo with the leads taped, I was showing how the module came from the factory. The other two photos of the backsheet show how far you can pull the leads when the tape is off. With the setup I explained above, that was with the tape removed from the modules.</div><div dir="auto">Cheers,</div><div dir="auto">Dave</div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 7:00 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>Dave<div>Nothing should be attached to the back sheet as it can be an issue down the road, I might want to look at looping the cords to let them statically remain in location without the tape, the loop will prevent drooping and if properly located rest on the rail.</div><div>Jerry</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 1:07 PM Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi all, <div>I realize it has been a while, but I've been meaning to send out an update. With these modules in particular, one lead was long enough to get a clip on the side frame. We found that if we put the upper rail as low as possible allowed by the module (about 19.75" from the top) then it roughly split the distance from the junction box to the microinverter. It seems that even over time, there is not enough slack with the rail there for the wire to ever reach the roof. It is possible that it will eventually sag such that the wire is visible under the rails, but at least for now, you cannot see any wires under the array.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers, </div><div>Dave</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 1:23 PM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Except if it is UL listed and tested as part of the assembly. Haha. I seriously don't that happened, but technically...<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Bottom line, a manufacturer should supply guidance on this.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 1:02 PM Dana Orzel via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">Tape is not approved as a wire retaining device as far as I can find in the NEC :-]<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1.5pt solid windowtext;padding:0in 0in 1pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif">Dana Orzel - E - <a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">dana@solarwork.com</a> - C - 208.721.7003 </span><i><span style="color:rgb(153,204,0)"><u></u><u></u></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 2, 2022 9:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Jerry Shafer <<a href="mailto:jerrysgarage01@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">jerrysgarage01@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] wire management on Qcell AC module<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Regarding the tape on the back sheet<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">I have seen Novis installers keep the tape to secure the modules and I have also seen it with the tape stll attached to the wires laying on the roof so in my humble opinion the tape is for shipping only and is not to be used as a wire management system. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jerry <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">NABCEP PV Inspector<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 6:37 AM Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi All, <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">I just got some of the Qcell 360w AC modules that have the Enphase microinverter factory applied to the back. The module is the half cut cell type with the DC leads coming from either side of the middle of the module. The modules come with the wires taped to the back of the module. If you remove that tape, there appears to be almost no way to properly manage those wires. Is that tape meant to just keep the wire on the back of the module forever? Would that even last more than a year? I am curious what other people have done for these if they have used them or something similar. Maybe if you get the rail in the right spot, the wires will just sit on the rail...<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I realize that we have had a thread on wire management with half cut cell modules before, but this is a little different, as I am specifically asking about that tape and if anyone knows if it holds up over time.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cheers, <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dave<br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="525" style="width:393.75pt;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0px"><tbody><tr><td width="125" rowspan="2" valign="top" style="width:93.75pt;border-top:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-right:1pt solid rgb(236,189,0);padding:0in 7.5pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.sungineersolar.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,122,183);text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="105" height="103" style="width: 1.0937in; height: 1.0729in;" id="gmail-m_-9094604053312181997m_5740078511126802763gmail-m_8137854369831721706gmail-m_5069146175284197052m_-8292056905346715752_x0000_i1025" src="https://sungineersolar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Logo-Image-Only-1.png" alt="Logo"></span></a><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 7.5pt"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0px"><tbody><tr><td width="400" valign="top" style="width:300pt;padding:0in 0in 3.75pt 7.5pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(236,189,0)">Dave Tedeyan, P.E.<br>Owner | Sungineer Solar</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:3.75pt 0in 3.75pt 7.5pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:12.75pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(236,189,0)">p: </span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">he | him | his</span><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(236,189,0)"><br>a: </span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">1653 Slaterville Rd.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> <span style="color:black">| Ithaca, NY 14850</span><br><b><span style="color:rgb(236,189,0)">w:</span></b><a href="http://www.sungineersolar.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><span style="color:black"> www.sungineersolar.com</span></a><br><b><span style="color:rgb(236,189,0)">c:</span></b><span style="color:black"> (607) 288-2898</span><u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0in"></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>Pay optional member dues here: <a href="http://re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>There are two list archives for searching. 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