<div dir="ltr">Thanks, I'd love to see some photos if you have them online somewhere. I was impressed by your multi-breaker bypass interlock. Too bad no OEM can think it through like that.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 12:51 PM William Miller via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-9068981809067601509WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Kirk:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">I feel your pain. This is a big problem that we discovered with the first GSLC we installed. We ordered it prewired and it was a mess. We broke the tab off of one of the AC breakers by too much wire stress. We had to come up with a work-around for this problem. I will describe it below in hopes you find some use for this procedure.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">You can skip installing AC breakers in the GSLC and that frees up a lot of room. To make this work you need to supply an outboard breaker panel for Generator fed circuits and another for Inverter fed circuits. The AC leads run straight through the GSLC without landing. You can remove all of the AC buss bars.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">If you want bypass capabilities you need to provide for this in the inverter fed-panel. Most breaker manufacturers provide interlocks for two breakers. If you want more interlock capabilities you need to make a custom interlock. Let me know if you want more information on that process.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">For the PV leads, we cut off the bottom tab that holds the dead front and replace it with a hinge. We lower the dead-front for wiring. The PV leads all come up the back of the dead-front and hinge at the bottom. See attached photo.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">I hope this information helps. The Radian is a good product in my opinion and it is worth the effort to get around the limitation.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">William Miller</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Miller Solar</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">805-438-5600</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">www.millersolar.com</span></a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">CA Lic. 773985</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,"sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,"sans-serif""> RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 14, 2022 8:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Cc:</b> Kirk Herander<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Sol-Ark install</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">I feel the same way about the Outback Radian GSLC box, once it's fully wired there's no room whatsoever, and sometimes you have to remove breakers and layers of wiring to re-access things for debug. Don't know how it meets code and ETL approval for wire space.</p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 11:20 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This problem is not limited to one manufacturer. One example is the Enphase smart controller. While the small holes are big enough for #6 ground and neutral, you have to strip the wires perfectly and have the hand of a heart surgeon to get them in there. And conduit entry is a royal pain because the enclosure is tapered on the bottom and sides.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Fortunately, all of these manufacturers seem to be making strides to make the roof installation easier. A little more attention to the electrical enclosures would be appreciated. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jason Szumlanski</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 10:30 AM Dana Orzel via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal">We have done one Solark installation & I was shocked as to the lack of ground wire landing terminals & space. We added a 12126 metal box below to ease the # of entrances to two 11/4\u201d.</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> I jumpered a # 8 to a second ground bar to allow for additional landing locations. I called Solark to question this & the response to the question was \u201cyeah we have heard this from other installers \u201c.<br>End of call. </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dana Orzel</p><div><p class="MsoNormal">C: 208.721.7003</p><div><p class="MsoNormal">E- <a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" target="_blank">dana@solarwork.com</a></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">On Apr 13, 2022, at 8:21 PM, Maverick Brown via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,"sans-serif"">\ufeff</span>Ron</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The Sol-Ark has two MPPT channels and has two separate landing spots for each MPPT channels. Each landing pair needs matching strings. 8 AWG wire barely fits so the Sol-Ark PV terminals so they may only be rated for 10AWG. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I\u2019m assuming you have a ground array The most common stringing method would be to use a trench with conduit and THHN wire. You could also sleeve a direct-burial cable into the ground. Calculate the voltage drop over the distance to make sure 10AWG is adequate. If not, then make a junction, like a MidNite or Outback combiner or an IMO switch at the array to get up the right wire size, with an added MidNite Surge Protector or EMP shield device. If it\u2019s a long distance (larger wire size), add another combiner at the inverter building entrance to get back to 10 AWG. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://practicalpreppers.com/product/imo-4-pole-16-amp-dc-disconnect/" target="_blank">https://practicalpreppers.com/product/imo-4-pole-16-amp-dc-disconnect/</a></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Also, The Sol-Ark sizing guide helps with string calculations. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.sol-ark.com/solar-panel-sizing/SolarPanelSizing.html" target="_blank">https://www.sol-ark.com/solar-panel-sizing/SolarPanelSizing.html</a></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Contact me off list with additional questions. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"> </p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:black">Maverick Brown<br>Off-Grid Solar Commander since 2006<br><b>Maverick Solar Enterprises, Inc.</b></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:black"> \u2022 Solar Commander Remote Power</span></b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:black"> \u2022 SunFlow Systems Cathodic Protection <br></span></b><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:maverick@mavericksolar.com" target="_blank">maverick@mavericksolar.com</a><br>512-460-9825</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Helvetica,"sans-serif";color:black"> </span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">On Apr 12, 2022, at 9:42 PM, Ron Young via RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Tahoma,"sans-serif"">\ufeff</span>Hi Wrenches, trying to wrap my head around a first time Sol-Ark install. Because the max DC voltage is 500v at 18a and the PV I\u2019m using is 40v DC each I will have to create three strings each 480v. What would be the best choice for a home run wire? I\u2019ve always used smaller strings with micro inverters, a combiner at the array and a single Teck home run cable but the string inverter presents a different scenario and it looks like I\u2019ll need to use three home run cables, one for each string. </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ron Young</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:black">earthRight Products - <a href="http://Solareagle.com" target="_blank">Solareagle.com</a><br>Alternative Energy Solutions ~ Renewable Energy Products<br><br></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>Pay optional member dues here: <a href="http://re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>There are two list archives for searching. 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