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<p>The Midnite Classic can go higher to 72v stock, and they have
models that can work with 120 vdc batteries. <br>
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<p>Ray<br>
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<div class="">A charge controller may not be needed if you are
running the pump direct. By designing the PV array so that the
Isc is higher than the maximum load demands, and the Voc is less
than the maximum operating voltage, you can run PV direct
without a controller. Use a high voltage relay (like Gigavac)
for switching from the float or pressure switch. </div>
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<div class="">Charging a high voltage chemical battery direct from
PV power is conceivable but much harder. If you can\u2019t find a
controller, I would opt to use the pumped water as the
battery\u2026pump it high, use gravity. </div>
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<div class="">On Mar 15, 2022, at 9:10 AM, William Miller <<a
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<div dir="auto" class="">Thanks for the info. I have been in
contact with Sun Pumps. They can sell me a pump that will
work off of a high voltage battery bank (greater than 90
VDC and likely much higher). However they cannot provide
or recommend a charge controller to output PV charge at
the higher voltage. Do you or any wrench know of a high
voltage charge controller on the market?</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Thanks in advance.</div>
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at 8:29 AM Windy Dankoff <<a
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<div class="">SunPumps has a new helical rotor
submersible series (positive displacement) that is
typically much more efficient for high lift
compared to a normal multi-stage centrifugal sub
(you'll have to compare the specs).</div>
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<div class="">I have no inside-knowledge of this
item, but it's based on good technology similar to
Lorentz and Grundfos and SunPumps is on the same
level as a world leader.</div>
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<div class="">With any DC pump, you need to be sure
it's compatible with battery power if you need
24/7.</div>
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<div class="">I hope you'll let us know how it goes.</div>
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class="">[RE-wrenches] 24/7 wATER
pUMPING</b><br class="">
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class="">I have a client that wishes to
pump water at about 10 GPM from spring
through autumn equinoxes. Lift is 300
feet. (This is the project that will
not siphon beyond 33 feet.)</span></div>
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class="">I can design a
solar/battery/inverter system for this
purpose but I am wondering if there is a
direct DC option. I am going to look at
the Grundfos SQ-Flex tables to see if
this is an option.</span></div>
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advice on best approach to this project?</span></div>
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pUMPING</b><br class="">
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class="">William
<div class="">Here is the deal it will be
simplest to go AC for the pump because of
the requirement of high voltage DC yes
there are small er output DC pumps but
that is not what you need, first find a AC
pump that can do the required 10 GPM at
300 feet of head then design a inverter to
fit that bill PV to recharge that usage
and then some. look at the first and last
day of the desired water demand and go the
shorted day as a production base line.
When looking at pumps grundfus is very
efficient in DC and wild AC but at a cost
so look at options output vs input. I have
done this with Grundus and DC direct to a
50K storage tank at the very top of the
property so it can be done with DC so AC
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<div class="">Here might be an option large
enough storage tank to fill every night
and a pump big enough to drain it every
day, this can be done DC direct, cheaper
and less moving parts and the pump can run
on a genny if you have bad weather for
days, This is how the ones I have done
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