<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">HI Windy and William<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I was just thinking about this system today. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have a different take, but it depends on if the well can produce 30 gpm +/-.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The client wants 14,400 gpd. If the system is in SoCal then those months with correct PV orientation you should be able to get 8 hrs per day. Split array, east/west. </div><div class="">Thats 30 gpm, and about 12,000 gallons of storage. That storage is about $6000 which is going to be lots cheaper than batteries. ( would be using 4 x 3000 gallon tanks, which are typically in stock, quick to install and don\u2019t add to property tax.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So pump during the day and use water storage vs battery storage. </div><div class="">The amount of PV is going to be pretty close regardless of which system battery or storage. </div><div class="">As to a pump, probably looking at the franklin solar version or similar AC with solar/vfd drive. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you can\u2019t do 30 gpm, then the pump windy shows below, with a high voltage DC battery might work. Not sure what you\u2019d do for a controller and if that pump will work with batteries?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Interesting problem,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">jay</div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 10, 2022, at 9:29 AM, Windy Dankoff <<a href="mailto:windydankoff@mac.com" class="">windydankoff@mac.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Dear William,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">SunPumps has a new helical rotor submersible series (positive displacement) that is typically much more efficient for high lift compared to a normal multi-stage centrifugal sub (you'll have to compare the specs).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.sunpumps.com/Products/HR 10-525 AC DC" class="">https://www.sunpumps.com/Products/HR%2010-525%20AC%20DC</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have no inside-knowledge of this item, but it's based on good technology similar to Lorentz and Grundfos and SunPumps is on the same level as a world leader.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">With any DC pump, you need to be sure it's compatible with battery power if you need 24/7.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope you'll let us know how it goes.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Windy</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">William Miller <<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">william@millersolar.com</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">[RE-wrenches] 24/7 wATER pUMPING</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">March 8, 2022 at 7:53:37 AM MST<br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">william@millersolar.com</a>><br class=""></span></div><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Friends:</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">I have a client that wishes to pump water at about 10 GPM from spring through autumn equinoxes. Lift is 300 feet. (This is the project that will not siphon beyond 33 feet.)</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">I can design a solar/battery/inverter system for this purpose but I am wondering if there is a direct DC option. I am going to look at the Grundfos SQ-Flex tables to see if this is an option.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Does anyone out there have any advice on best approach to this project?</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks in advance,</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">William Miller</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Miller Solar</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; 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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Jerry Shafer <<a href="mailto:jerrysgarage01@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jerrysgarage01@gmail.com</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Re: [RE-wrenches] 24/7 wATER pUMPING</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">March 8, 2022 at 8:58:16 AM MST<br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">William Miller <<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">william@millersolar.com</a>>, RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br class=""></span></div><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">William<div class="">Here is the deal it will be simplest to go AC for the pump because of the requirement of high voltage DC yes there are small er output DC pumps but that is not what you need, first find a AC pump that can do the required 10 GPM at 300 feet of head then design a inverter to fit that bill PV to recharge that usage and then some. look at the first and last day of the desired water demand and go the shorted day as a production base line. When looking at pumps grundfus is very efficient in DC and wild AC but at a cost so look at options output vs input. I have done this with Grundus and DC direct to a 50K storage tank at the very top of the property so it can be done with DC so AC just requires additional nighttime. </div><div class="">Here might be an option large enough storage tank to fill every night and a pump big enough to drain it every day, this can be done DC direct, cheaper and less moving parts and the pump can run on a genny if you have bad weather for days, This is how the ones I have done work.</div><div class="">Jerry</div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br class=""><br class="">Pay optional member dues here: <a href="http://re-wrenches.org" class="">http://re-wrenches.org</a><br class=""><br class="">List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" class="">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br class=""><br class="">Change listserver email address & settings:<br class=""><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" class="">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br class=""><br class="">There are two list archives for searching. 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