<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Also check out wildcat power, built in Kansas.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><a href="https://wildcatpowergen.com/">https://wildcatpowergen.com/</a><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:51 AM Michael Morningstar <<a href="mailto:mjmorningstar@gmail.com">mjmorningstar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">I\u2019ve installed Hundreds upon hundreds of diesel generators at elevation here in the mountains of NorCal. Temps down to -15F. None have needed block heaters. For under 40KW, Wrico International. Growers were getting 20-40K hours out of them. They are open frame. MQ Power for an off the shelf enclosed gen-set. Ray is correct in that there aren\u2019t any decent (low rpm, liquid cooled) propane generators. We won\u2019t touch the disposable propane generators like the Kohler RES and Genercrap equivalents. Oh, Wrico does build legit <15kw propane generators\u2026..they cost 14K<div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jan 18, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Ray <<a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com" target="_blank">ray@solarray.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>
<div><p>I won't go less than double the inverter rating anymore with
gensets. So the Kohler 12 kW is probably the lowest cost, decent
match for the XW. Otherwise you're just over working the genset,
which usually aren't designed for continuous duty. It keeps the
voltage stable enough to not disconnect when a surge (like that
sewage pump) comes on.</p><p>As far as 1800 rpm, I don't know anything under 20 kw in
propane. The fuel consumption of a 20kw at 25% is very comparable
to the 12kW at 50%. I've been considering diesel, but just always
have been worried about cold starting in the mountains.<br>
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Ray I would love to know which larger propane gen set you are
suggesting. 1800 or 3600 rpm. Air cooled or water cooled. To my
knowledge there are very few L cooled 1800 rpm gen sets in the
12-15kW range. T<br>
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<div><p>I have a question: why so small a generator?
I've always regretted under sizing the genny for battery
charging. Larger gensets are not as fuel hungry as you
might think. I was surprised recently when I did some
calcs, and found that a larger genset would actually get
slightly better fuel consumption at the proposed load.
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</p><p>Plus the larger gensets are usually built to
last longer than the portable stuff.<br>
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Hello Again All,<br>
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Or I'd consider suggesting propane to the customer as
well. Any experience with know compatibles in propane?<br>
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txnks<br>
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jc<br>
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