<div dir="ltr">Jeff,<div><br></div><div>I don't know how much pricing has changed lately but the Kohler 12RES was going for around $5,000 with a two-wire start built-in. That's only $500 more than the smaller generator with a lot more capacity. I don't think they make it in gasoline so you'd have to use propane. </div><div><br>Thanks,</div><div>Will</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 12:09 AM Jeff Clearwater <<a href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com">jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>Hi Ray,<br>
<br>
Yes indeed I'm used to 10-30 KW gensets as I mostly do larger systems so
I've fallen out of experience with smaller sets. I've been specing
mostly diesels. Used to install Onan propane sets years ago but those
can be pricey too.<br>
<br>
This is a customer that has been buying $1000 gensets and starting
manually and abusing their lead-acids so I've been after them to get an
decent auto-start genset - so even the $4K+ for the Honda (plus the $400
for the remote start module) is a steep change for them. I installed
the $350 Conext AGS module 2 years ago when I built the system but they
never got a decent genny that it could trigger.<br>
<br>
So looking for less than $6K options for them in autostart. <br>
<br>
It's a very modest load/system - a 6 KW inverter with 32 KWhrs (16
usable) of Surrettes. 3 KW of solar all mounted in/on a dual axle
cargo trailer - they use only fridges and lights but they have a damn
sewage pump - which is why we upgraded from a 4 KW Conext to a 6 KW.<br>
<br>
So yes very open to the low end of the larger sets - any small 8-12 KW
diesels our there for reasonable price? Or propane units that will
last? I'd love to go 1800 rpm for them but within the budget - not sure
it's possible? and of course that is decent wave-form to make the
Conext XW Pro happy.<br>
<br>
Thanks for redirecting - a welcome input for sure!<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Jeff<br>
<br>
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<p>I have a question: why so small a generator? I've always
regretted under sizing the genny for battery charging. Larger
gensets are not as fuel hungry as you might think. I was
surprised recently when I did some calcs, and found that a larger
genset would actually get slightly better fuel consumption at the
proposed load. <br>
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<p>Plus the larger gensets are usually built to last longer than the
portable stuff.<br>
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<div>Ray Walters<br>Remote Solar<br>303 505-8760</div>
<div>On 1/17/22 5:33 PM, Jeff Clearwater
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Hello Again All,<br>
<br>
Or I'd consider suggesting propane to the customer as well. Any
experience with know compatibles in propane?<br>
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Thanks All,<br>
<br>
Aren't there any 5-8 KW gas gennys out there already set up for 2-wire
start? We do that all the time with bigger units.<br>
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Thanks again!<br>
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<div style="color:rgb(144,154,164);margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><div dir="ltr">Hi Jeff</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The
generator is not set up for 2 wire remote. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The two options that I know of are the one I sent you which
converts the remote to 2 wire. </div><div dir="ltr">Disadvantage of this
one is that it will only attempt the start 1 time. But that generator
on gasoline seems to start every time first time. Propane conversion
not. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Or the factory unit
which like this one. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Honda-32380-Z37-820ZA/p65440.html?gclid=CjwKCAiAxJSPBhAoEiwAeO_fP1IhOE5lCjwjD81BLmbvGVudBjZaJN_siF2UiT4xbNe9uhGxusSlWxoCEKsQAvD_BwE" target="_blank">https://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/Honda-32380-Z37-820ZA/p65440.html?gclid=CjwKCAiAxJSPBhAoEiwAeO_fP1IhOE5lCjwjD81BLmbvGVudBjZaJN_siF2UiT4xbNe9uhGxusSlWxoCEKsQAvD_BwE</a></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The advantage of this one is that it
follows the inverter ags start programming so you get 3 attempts if
memory serves. </div><div dir="ltr">But you\u2019ve got to figure out the
correct ags protocol on the Xw. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Hope this helps</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jay</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div>
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Thanks Michael and Jay!<br>
<br>
If the generator is a 2-wire start why is there the need for additional
remote start relays? Does the Honda not come fully equipped? And if
not is there a generator that does?<br>
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