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<div class=""><p class="">I won't go less than double the inverter rating anymore with
gensets. So the Kohler 12 kW is probably the lowest cost, decent
match for the XW. Otherwise you're just over working the genset,
which usually aren't designed for continuous duty. It keeps the
voltage stable enough to not disconnect when a surge (like that
sewage pump) comes on.</p><p class="">As far as 1800 rpm, I don't know anything under 20 kw in
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to the 12kW at 50%. I've been considering diesel, but just always
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I've always regretted under sizing the genny for battery
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