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<p>William,</p>
<p>Years ago we tried using the relay in the FNDC with a system of
sealed Outback FX inverters. After a few times call backs about
the generator being left running long after it should have
stopped, I discovered that the problem was indeed caused by the
relay in the FNDC. That relay is a latching type and Outback sends
the signal for it to change state only once; they don't check to
see if it actually changed state (apparently the hardware wasn't
set up to allow that); and they don't send a second signal to
improve the chance of a successful operation. You know the screen
in the Mate where they keep a tally of communication errors, not
sure that is comm errors at unfortunate times are the cause or
not, but I suspect it is. Maybe the relay in this FNDC was
sluggish because in the garage temperatures could occasionally got
lower than 0°C - the lower limit of the FNDC. Whatever the cause,
we decided that the FNDC relay was not suitable for starting and
stopping a generator. I ended up re-purposing the FX's external
vent fan to control the generator (and fan) and never had any more
trouble. The fan is rarely needed except while charging batteries
with the generator, and the inverter has the ability to reduce its
output if it is too hot. <br>
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<p>Kent Osterberg</p>
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couple of years ago we installed an all sealed Outback FX
system. All of the FX inverters were equipped with Turbo
fans which connect to the relay in the inverters so those
were not available for generator starting. A senior Outback
tech support person (one who has been with Outback for a
long time) told me the relay in the FNDC was not reliable.
Instead it was suggested that I use the relay in an Outback
Extreme charge controller that was part of the system. I
never tried the relay in the FNDC so I don\u2019t have first-hand
knowledge if the relay is reliable or not. Can anyone
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Morningstar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 14, 2021 11:16 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Actually I\u2019m using the 12V relay to
activate a battery vent fan. For generator starting, I\u2019m using
the dry contact relay for two-wire start. I have the circuit
protected by a 2amp fast acting fuse. Fuse is good.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 14, 2021, at 11:10 AM, Tuss,
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Michael</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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sound like you are using the 12 volt aux out on the
radian to activate a separate relay.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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so disconnect the relay then check and see if the 12
aux attempts to go high (12v dc).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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it does it may be a relay issue.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Radian does have an on board relay you could use
that instead of a discrete relay.</span></p>
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