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    <p>All of these new code required safety features have a detrimental
      effect on reliability.  That's not a huge deal with GT, but off
      grid, this can become a serious safety issue in itself, as the
      homeowner loses communications, water, heat, and frozen food. <br>
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    <p>There are opponents of solar energy that are laughing at us now,
      for being scared of our own shadow, when we as an industry have
      had an overall excellent safety record that goes back 40 years. We
      need to take a serious look at which safety issues are real, and
      which are not.  Standardizing PV connections is very important. 
      Module level RSD is not.  <br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Ray Walters
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/28/21 9:46 AM, Dave Angelini
      Offgrid Solar wrote:<br>
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      <p>The Schneider RSD is decent. At least it is useable as a 600vdc
        disco. <img title="Wink"
          src="cid:part1.1EC2D891.04CF17F7@solarray.com" alt="Wink"
          class="" border="0"> The few offgrid homes that were required
        to use this had the Tigo units on the array panels and wireless
        comm to the RSD. As soon as the inspector was done, those went
        to Ebay. I never use a roof but have used a barn for panels. </p>
      <p>AFCI, GFCI, and now RSD are just more things to fail when you
        need them the most, like during a wildfire or hurricane.</p>
      <p>I know you folks have to do what you need to do to stay in
        business. For me, electronics are <strong>in</strong> a covered
        building.</p>
      <p>Always!</p>
      <p> </p>
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        <pre><strong><span style="font-size: small;">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
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      <p>On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 07:48:34 -0800, James Jarvis
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jj@aprsworld.com">&lt;jj@aprsworld.com&gt;</a> wrote:</p>
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        <div dir="auto">So who has a good reliable off grid RSD? It all
          looks like failure prone garbage to me.<br>
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          <div>Thank you,<br>
            <br>
            -James Jefferson Jarvis<br>
            APRS World, LLC<br>
            +1-507-454-2727<br>
            <br>
            (Sent from my phone. My apologies for spelling errors and
            brevity.)</div>
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          <div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 05:02
            Tump &lt;<a href="mailto:tump@swnl.net"
              moz-do-not-send="true">tump@swnl.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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            <div style="word-wrap: break-word;">I would once again say
              that; we as an industry can influence not only the writing
              of the code but with what we are <em>buying</em> OR <em>not
                buying.</em>
              <div>If the devices we are required to install to make
                things "more safe &amp; reliable", at the cost of our
                livelihoods &amp; reputations, we all need to make the
                folks that are building the RSD crap and those who
                require installation of questionably safe &amp; reliable
                crap aware of these problems.</div>
              <div>WE can thru either going to the code development
                 meetings AND NOT buying or installing this stuff. Not
                too easy when a huge amount of solar is rooftop
                installs. As many of the installers in the NE know its
                not a single level ranch were installing this stuff on,
                short season &amp; man lift required.</div>
              <div>Tell your supplier why you are not buying that brand,
                let  your supplier &amp; folks on the list what
                manufacture has good reliable products AND tech support
                that we can understand, who we can get in a timely
                fashion, and get the satisfaction of a prompt
                replacement.  IF we don't sell it they won't have a job
                or a market.</div>
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                    <div>On Aug 26, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Jeremy Coxon &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:jcoxon@sunwindpowerinc.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">jcoxon@sunwindpowerinc.com</a>&gt;
                      wrote:</div>
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                      <div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break:
                        after-white-space;">Carl,
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                        <div>Did you get any kind of joy out of APSmart
                          on that failure?  </div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>I will say that their tech support guy did
                          at least try to be helpful, but the language
                          barrier was really really steep and their
                          distribution channels are less than ideal. 
                          Their response to a request for compensation
                          was that they would not be profitable if they
                          had to pay for truck rolls for such a low cost
                          item.  I really don't think they GET IT. 
                          We've been in business for over 16yrs and this
                          one failure could easily have ended that run.</div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div>I cannot imagine we're alone here.  I was
                          told by AP that their failure rate was 0.2%.
                          Now, I come from a reliability engineering
                          background in petro chemical/ big pharma where
                          a 0.2% failure rate would be catastrophic. 
                          Can you imagine that 2 out of every 1000 pills
                          made could cause death?  We engineered
                          secondary systems and multiple quality checks
                          to contain catastrophic consequences for
                          components that had know failure rates higher
                          than acceptable values.  A simple solution to
                          this fire initiation issue would be a metal
                          enclosure instead of plastic casing.  That
                          still doesn't really solve the problem of
                          extra connections though.<br>
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                              Jeremy Coxon NABCEP # 091308-21</div>
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