<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I do have a Megatron battery tester that does test internal resistance whit voltage present. The battery Manu usually has that information. When I get my Unigy II battery banks they supply the sheet w/ those #. Did you say what the battery charge settings were? Not much use at this point as it is tough to clean up AGM cells.<div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 14, 2021, at 5:43 PM, Jeff Clearwater <<a href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com" class="">jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="">Yes good thought Chris -I
doubt if there is an IR tester anywhere on the island - but when I go I
will for sure look at that - thanks for that.<br class="">
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How would one measure battery resistance with voltage present? I guess
with a known voltage applied and current held constant one could
calculate? but then how do you know you are measuring resistance vs
storing energy? I don't think that's possible - others?<br class="">
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jc<br class="">
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terminals to check for resistance? I recall, although this might be my
own thoughts, that internal resistance of each cell can be measured with
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></a> </div><div class="">Subject: Re:
[RE-wrenches] How Best to Load Test 2 V Cells </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>Hey
Jay,<br class="">
<br class="">
Yes the Sunny island Master of this Quad SI AC-coupled off-grid system
has been giving automatic Eq and Full charge charges perodically as
appropriate to this 48 V EnergyCell RE2700 pack.<br class="">
<br class="">
We are getting whole pack volt drops way before we should at 600 well-
maintained cycles. When we do whole pack testing - when the voltage
drops off there are 5 of the 24 cells lagging - their voltage drops
faster than the rest - but they operate well between 50%-100% - all
busbars have been triple checked for corrosion and tourque. <br class="">
<br class="">
So it looks like they just aged prematurely - so I'm in the process of
collating data from EnnexOS to get exact numbers on how they've been
treated. But even with a few hard cycles they should held up better
than they have. So perhaps a warranty claim - I've gone through charge
settings with SMA etc. I did have the AHrs programmed slightly below
rated AHrs due to confusion of whether the SI uses the 20 hr or 10 hr
rate (in Europe they use 10 but apparently - unbeknowst to me - the US
SI uses the 20 Hr - I swear SMA tech support years ago told me 10
hours) but now they are claiming that might be the culprit - I have a
hard time believing that setting the Ahour rating in the SI to 2100
instead of 2288 as rated would lead to pack failure - but they are
claiming that could have contributed.<br class="">
<br class="">
Thoughts?<br class="">
<br class="">
Best,<br class="">
<br class="">
Jeff<br class="">
<br class="">
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Hey Jay,<br class="">
<br class="">
Yes the Sunny island Master of this Quad SI AC-coupled off-grid system
has been giving automatic Eq and Full charge charges perodically as
appropriate to this 48 V EnergyCell RE2700 pack.<br class="">
<br class="">
We are getting whole pack volt drops way before we should at 600 well-
maintained cycles. When we do whole pack testing - when the voltage
drops off there are 5 of the 24 cells lagging - their voltage drops
faster than the rest - but they operate well between 50%-100% - all
busbars have been triple checked for corrosion and tourque. <br class="">
<br class="">
So it looks like they just aged prematurely - so I'm in the process of
collating data from EnnexOS to get exact numbers on how they've been
treated. But even with a few hard cycles they should held up better
than they have. So perhaps a warranty claim - I've gone through charge
settings with SMA etc. I did have the AHrs programmed slightly below
rated AHrs due to confusion of whether the SI uses the 20 hr or 10 hr
rate (in Europe they use 10 but apparently - unbeknowst to me - the US
SI uses the 20 Hr - I swear SMA tech support years ago told me 10
hours) but now they are claiming that might be the culprit - I have a
hard time believing that setting the Ahour rating in the SI to 2100
instead of 2288 as rated would lead to pack failure - but they are
claiming that could have contributed.<br class="">
<br class="">
Thoughts?<br class="">
<br class="">
Best,<br class="">
<br class="">
Jeff<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<span class="">
</span><br class="">
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