<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">I bet if you thought a little harder, you could get it even more complicated. Ha, Ha Jerry :)</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Thanks Dave. Yes, the solution is a 15KV transmission line. Should have done it last year as that $150K run of copper is pushing 400K.<br class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 29, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Jerry Shafer <<a href="mailto:jerrysgarage01@gmail.com" class="">jerrysgarage01@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="">I bet if you thought a little harder, you could get it even more complicated. If the hydro has both freq and voltage control then look at a dumb charger. Keeping it all independent will be safest. On the other hand l used an outback and connected a wind turbine to the AC in and the inverter just used it first. I set the max input amps and it worked and the inverter picked up the rest, l did have a water heater as a dump and it would pop the t&p sometimes. I dont know how well if at all the voltage is regulated on your controller and It can get complicated.</div><div dir="auto" class="">Jerry<br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 12:49 PM Michael Morningstar <<a href="mailto:mjmorningstar@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">mjmorningstar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Will this work?<div class=""><br class=""><div class=""> A friend has an off-grid property that is served by a Canyon Industries AC turbine w/ T&H controller. Output is around 2kw. Of course, no surge capacity there. He has recently moved there full time and is Vrbo\u2019ing one of the cabins so power needs have increased.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>What I have done previously in these situations with low Kw AC turbines is install a battery based system and Iota chargers that are powered from the turbine. That\u2019s always worked well, BUT now that we are disciples of the Discover AES/XW pairing I thought I would try this: </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1) Connect the turbine\u2019s output to AC2 and use Gen Support to enable loads above 2kw or surges. That\u2019s placing a lot of faith in Gen Support, and if it were to not respond quick enough, well \u2026trouble. The site is six hours away.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Then my friend tells me that he would like to throttle the turbine down during the summer to conserve water, reducing output to .5-1kw. So, I got to thinking:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2) One inverter for charging only. One inverter for power output only. Charging inverter communicates with AES through Xanbus and is connected to a Gateway/Insight so that I can remotely adjust AC2 input current to scale with seasonal turbine fluctuations. Neither inverter is Synced or knows of the other\u2019s existence. Output inverter gets a SCP for basic control<span style="white-space: pre-wrap;" class=""> </span>and monitoring. Battery bank is connected to a Discover SOC monitor.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I guess my questions are: Do you see any problems with this arrangement? Would having what amounts to an external load (the output generator) trip things up since it\u2019s not communicating w/ the batteries? Could/Should I include the output inverter in the Xanbus loop? And/Or can I connect the output inverter to the Gateway device since it has two inputs,</div><div class="">Xanbus 1 and 2.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I\u2019ve tried to reach Schneider to speak about this to no avail. 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