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<p>Closing the loop eliminates just about all of those issues. It brings the battery into the safety area of LA batteries that are still hard to beat offgrid. I am not saying you can't blow the top off a LA battery either<img title="Wink" src="cid:17a1a7775609e710d411" alt="Wink" border="0"></p>
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<div dir="auto">I had the honor of replacing the BMS in that exact model in a stack of 3 batteries. Luckily it was on the bottom shelf so I could pull the monster out onto the floor to get access to the lid. The lid is sealed shut but with persistence it opened. I was working with their tech support and following their instructions. I disconnected it from the other two that were in a parallel configuration before opening. Battery voltage was zero at the terminals. I did voltage checks at various checkpoints to confirm it was the BMS at fault. Relion sent a new BMS which I carefully installed and it has worked fine since. Had I seen this photo first, I may have not been so eager to see the inside of that battery. </div>
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<div>To: Jeff Clearwater <<a href="mailto:jeffc@villagelab.net" target="_blank">jeffc@villagelab.net</a>>, Jeff Clearwater <<a href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com" target="_blank">jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com</a>>, RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>></div>
<div>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Exploding LFP battery</div>
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<div>I don't know if you saw the photo. No cutting involved.</div>
<div>The top is removed with roughly 14 fasteners. </div>
<div>No tools or prying was involved in the removal of the top cover.</div>
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<div>On Jun 16, 2021, at 12:00 AM, Jeff Clearwater <<a href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com" target="_blank">jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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I'd suggest he contact the manufacturer and get specific instructions for safing the mess. Will Prowess of DIY Solar Youtube channel had some leaky cells and the manufacturer sent specific instructions to contain and ship back the unit. You could contact him and he might know but the manufacturer might know better for that specific model.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Hope that helps!</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Jeff C.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Village Power Design</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none">
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<p>Very few details...What does it mean "he opened it up" I would even know how to do that with the L-ions I've been around, seems like its something a manufacturer should be doing. Temperature? charge rate? recent usage history? Age? Was it disconnected? Did contacts touch a conductor?........</p>
<p> <span> </span>You can probably get water to explode if you abuse it just right.</p>
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