<div dir="auto">This just proves the weak link is the BMS.</div><div dir="auto">I had the honor of replacing the BMS in that exact model in a stack of 3 batteries. Luckily it was on the bottom shelf so I could pull the monster out onto the floor to get access to the lid. The lid is sealed shut but with persistence it opened. I was working with their tech support and following their instructions. I disconnected it from the other two that were in a parallel configuration before opening. Battery voltage was zero at the terminals. I did voltage checks at various checkpoints to confirm it was the BMS at fault. Relion sent a new BMS which I carefully installed and it has worked fine since. Had I seen this photo first, I may have not been so eager to see the inside of that battery. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John Blittersdorf</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 6:13 PM Chris Worcester <<a href="mailto:chris@solarwindworks.com">chris@solarwindworks.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/recyclewithus" target="_blank">https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/recyclewithus</a> </div><div dir="auto">these folks are seriously getting into recycling lithium batteries, setting up house out by the Tesla giga factory out east of Reno. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div id="m_-5301734670143486934composer_signature" dir="auto"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">Chris Worcester </div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto"><a href="mailto:chris@solarwindworks.com" target="_blank">chris@solarwindworks.com</a></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">530-448-9692</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto"><br></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">Sent from my Samsung Galaxy s9.</div></div></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: jay <<a href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com" target="_blank">jay.peltz@gmail.com</a>> </div><div>Date: 6/16/21 12:49 PM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: Jeff Clearwater <<a href="mailto:jeffc@villagelab.net" target="_blank">jeffc@villagelab.net</a>>, Jeff Clearwater <<a href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com" target="_blank">jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com</a>>, RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>> </div><div>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Exploding LFP battery </div><div><br></div></div>Hi Jeff,<div><br></div><div>I don\u2019t know if you saw the photo. No cutting involved.</div><div>The top is removed with roughly 14 fasteners. </div><div>No tools or prying was involved in the removal of the top cover.</div><div><br></div><div>jay</div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 16, 2021, at 12:00 AM, Jeff Clearwater <<a href="mailto:jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com" target="_blank">jeffc@villagepowerdesign.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Hey Jay,</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">So I don't believe ReLion batteries are openable - so it's most likely that when he decided to open it he cut into it and shorted the leads.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">As for recycling - first is health safety! I'd suggest he contact the manufacturer and get specific instructions for safing the mess. Will Prowess of DIY Solar Youtube channel had some leaky cells and the manufacturer sent specific instructions to contain and ship back the unit. You could contact him and he might know but the manufacturer might know better for that specific model.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Hope that helps!</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Jeff C.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Village Power Design</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none"><blockquote style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;border:0px none!important" type="cite"><div style="margin:30px 25px 10px"><div style="width:707px;border-top-width:2px;border-top-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(237,241,244);padding-top:10px"><div style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:346.421875px"><a style="padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;color:rgb(72,86,100)!important;text-decoration:none!important" href="mailto:frenergy@psln.com" target="_blank">frenergy</a></div><span> </span><div style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:339.359375px;text-align:right"><font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">June 15, 2021 at 9:39 PM</span></font></div></div></div><div style="color:rgb(144,154,164);margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px"><p>Very few details...What does it mean "he opened it up" I would even know how to do that with the L-ions I've been around, seems like its something a manufacturer should be doing. Temperature? charge rate? recent usage history? Age? Was it disconnected? Did contacts touch a conductor?........</p><p> <span> </span>You can probably get water to explode if you abuse it just right.<br></p><p>Bill</p><div>Feather River Solar Electric<span> </span><span> </span><br>Bill Battagin, Owner<br><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/4291+Nelson+St.+Taylorsville,+CA+95983?entry=gmail&source=g">4291 Nelson St.</a><br><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/search/4291+Nelson+St.+Taylorsville,+CA+95983?entry=gmail&source=g">Taylorsville, CA 95983</a><br>530.284.7849<br>CA Lic 874049<br><a href="http://www.frenergy.net/" target="_blank">www.frenergy.net</a></div><div>On 6/15/2021 8:14 PM, Jay wrote:<br></div><div>--<span> </span><br></div><div id="m_-5301734670143486934DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br><br><hr style="border:none;color:rgb(144,144,144);background-color:rgb(176,176,176);height:1px;width:701.90625px"><table style="border-collapse:collapse;border:none"><tbody><tr><td style="border:none;padding:0px 15px 0px 8px"><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" target="_blank"><img border="0" alt="Avast logo" src="https://static.avast.com/emails/avast-mail-stamp.png"></a></td><td><p style="color:rgb(61,77,90);font-family:Calibri,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:12pt">This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<span> </span><br><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" target="_blank">www.avast.com</a></p></td></tr></tbody></table><br><a height="1" width="1"></a></div><br><fieldset></fieldset><br><div>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>Pay optional member dues here:<span> </span><a href="http://re-wrenches.org/" target="_blank">http://re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List Address:<span> </span><a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>There are two list archives for searching. 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