<p>You guy's all know that utility is not going to get easier to understand. It is going the other way and has been! Some of the AG solar guy's below me in the greatest growing region in the world are probably the best. I can dig up some of their names from the AG shows on radio KMJ in Fresno. The 5 am AG show has alot of solar on it and you can stream it.</p>
<p>I am away for a few days but will post something when I get back. Here is a link to KMJ and to the AG solar company.</p>
<p>https://www.kmjnow.com/on-air-schedule/</p>
<p>https://pickettsolar.com/industries/agribusiness/</p>
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<pre><strong><span style="font-size: small;">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
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<p>On Sun, 2 May 2021 07:15:55 -0700, frenergy <frenergy@psln.com> wrote:</p>
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<p> That's the easy answer but this all gets really deep into weeds as unless you're a PG&E smart meter (and we <em>really</em> trust them), you don't know when that E-6 baseline is crossed to know when you're getting or paying the higher rate. There's 2 things going on, baseline and time-of-use. Customer usage, cloudy days plus other variables make a precise calculation impossible. A customer might enter the higher-than-baseline rate halfway into the month and then low consumption and sunny days pulls the customer back below baseline, paying the lower rate.</p>
<p> So many headaches, William, I've tried to figure all this out on paper but have relied more on raw experience of what works to zero-out one's bill which with E6 can easily happen with less KWhrs produced than consumed.</p>
<p> I would love to talk to wrenches who can help me with decent rates for AG pumping and the AG-solar destroyer: demand charges.</p>
<p>Bill </p>
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Bill Battagin, Owner
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/1/2021 3:16 PM, Jerry Shafer wrote:</div>
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<div dir="auto">Currently with PG&E , you buy and sell at what ever rate you are on, Peak = peak, off peak =off peak, </div>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, May 1, 2021, 3:02 PM William Miller <<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com">william@millersolar.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">Friends:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">After years of not quite understanding the intricacies of the newer, more complicated utility rate schedules I have spent the last 72 hours diving deeply into the rabbit hole. I have one question I need answered. Maybe someone has the answer.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">If you are on a tiered electric utility rate I know you pay more for energy after you exceed certain daily amounts—the baseline. I am clear that if you avoid paying the higher rates, the value of the energy you generate is equal to the money you save. However if you ratchet your daily usage below zero and are net-exporting for part of a day, at what value are you credited in an NEM contract?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">Is it: You get the baseline rate no matter how much energy you export.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">Or is it: After you export more than the baseline rate, you start getting credited at the over-baseline rate.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">Or is it something different altogether.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">If anyone knows the answer to this arcane question I would be very grateful to learn it. It may vary from utility to utility or plan to plan. PG&E E-6 is the tiered rate I most commonly encounter.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">If any of you are particularly masochistic you can review some work I have published on the subject here:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;"><a href="https://millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/28_UtilityRates/UtilityRates.html">https://millersolar.com/MillerSolar/case_studies/28_UtilityRates/UtilityRates.html</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">This is an intricate subject and I believe anyone working in grid-tied solar should have at least a passing familiarity with the topic. It affects the realized benefits of investing in grid-tied solar.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">Thanks again for being the great group of friends that you are.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">William Miller</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">Miller Solar</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">CA Lic. 773985</span></p>
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