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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dear Friendly Neighborhood Solar Man:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I read this email below several times and looked carefully through all of the photographs. I could not let this message go without comment. See below:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The pictures make exactly the case you are arguing against. Extinguishing this fire in the daytime without MLSD would be much more dangerous than with MLSD. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Your logic that you don\u2019t like squirrel guards also makes no sense because squirrel guards, if installed properly, would have prevented this event absolutely. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Furthermore, I don\u2019t accept the argument that roofs can be dangerous so let\u2019s not bother doing anything to try and make them a bit less dangerous.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">What also makes no sense is the adoption of MLSD requirements is some kind of conspiracy. You offer that as a rumor without any evidence to the contrary. Letting that go without comment serves to infer that some of us on this forum might agree with the assertion. That is how conspiracy theories thrive. I need facts, not conjecture. I imagine others here might agree.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Seatbelts are a hassle. Fall protection harnesses are a hassle. Safety procedures in general are a hassle. That is no reason to blow them off. I try to adapt and get proficient at the procedures so they are a bit less of a hassle and then enjoy the reduction in workplace hazards that those procedures provide.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">All in all, the entire logic you present makes no sense. No disrespect intended.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Most Sincerely,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">William Miller</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Miller Solar</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">805-438-5600</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/"><span style="color:blue">www.millersolar.com</span></a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">CA Lic. 773985</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Solar Energy Solutions<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 4, 2021 11:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] MLSD module level shutdown</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div id="ydp63de1cc5yiv6911388948"><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear All,</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I apologize for letting this conversation get a little stale before being able to comment further.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Before I reply, I would like to say I don't believe MLSD has anything to do with firefighter safety. If being on dangerous roofs was really a concern, steep roofs, slate roofs, metal roof, wet metal or shake roofs and snow on roofs would get the same kind of scrutiny as solar on roofs. I can only guess and think that some HUGE solar hating utility company devised this whole firefighter safety thing. It is also my understanding none of the string inverter folk turned up to the code development meetings where MLSD was determined and you can guess who was. But much of this is only rumor and the dark thoughts of a solar bozo.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I HATE the hassle and maintenance issues of MLSD. I loved string inverters and hated to see them go. So far as I can tell the US is the only place on planet Earth to make String inverters all but illegal. This said... a picture is worth a thousand words. All of the attached photos of systems had the wire management done very well. If you look at the metal roof photo you can see a small hole in it from the arc. I have many more photos of different squirrel damaged systems. Ground Fault protection has saved the inverters, but not the roofs.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I don't really like the idea of squirrel guards. It seems like I may be creating another problem down the road that I can't really imagine. Debris build up could be an issue. Rainwater could back up from a damn and get under shingles and into the cavity of the house. For me the easiest thing that could be done is for some kind of a bittering agent to be part of the wires so that one little lick would send a critter looking for a better food source.</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">Your Friendly Neighborhood Solar Man,</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/3g5c57nqke9x7b2/Fire%201.JPG?dl=0" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/3g5c57nqke9x7b2/Fire%201.JPG?dl=0</a></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/ksd5yhfsammybdz/Fire%202.JPG?dl=0" target="_blank">Fire 2.JPG</a></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div id="ydp94636167enhancr_card_2888110498"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="400" style="width:171.45pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border:solid #e0e4e9 1.0pt"><tr style="height:75.0pt"><td valign="top" style="border:none;background:black;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:75.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ignore:vglayout"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" align="left"><tr><td width="5" height="214"></td></tr><tr><td></td><td><img width="693" height="306" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D6FCC6.D22AC1F0"></td></tr></table></span> </p><br style="mso-ignore:vglayout" clear="ALL"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;border-radius:2px 2px 0px 0px;min-height:175px"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="margin-left:5px;margin-top:197px;width:697px;height:310px"><img width="697" height="310" src="cid:image002.png@01D6FCC6.D22AC1F0" alt="Text Box:
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All because the module manus and industry in general has made no effort, zero, to accommodate any type of electrical industry standard K/Os for conduit, or TEK 90 (great stuff BTW). If we hadn't gone this wacky direction, starting about 15 years ago, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation, because there would be much less reason for MLSD. </p><p>I could see whips of TEK 90 that plugged into polarized 2 pole quick connects mounted integrally to a J box on the back of each module. </p><p><img border="0" id="_x0000_i1031" src="https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP._-MQDPKdKr33bgNV7aU0twHaB6%26pid%3DApi&f=1" alt="Teck 90 Armoured Power & Control Cable 600V CSA FT4 HL ..."><img border="0" width="360" height="290" id="_x0000_i1032" src="https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.RqzGAXCbuRXhclwk1kJ-UwHaF5%26pid%3DApi&f=1" alt="Llt M10 Bayonet Lock Molding Waterproof Cable 2 Pole ..."></p><pre>Ray Walters</pre><pre>Remote Solar</pre><pre>303 505-8760</pre><div id="yiv6911388948yqtfd93628"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 1/29/21 8:10 PM, Hilton Dier wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><pre>There\u2019s a buried-in-plain-sight issue here that has bugged me for years. </pre><pre> </pre><pre>In the bad old days we had to hard wire into J-boxes on the backs of modules. A pain, but it meant that, if necessary, we could install conduit from the module to the combiner box. Now we have convenient pigtails.</pre><pre> </pre><pre> However, we are stuck with #10 PV wire hanging under the module from the box to the nearest attachment point. There are all sorts of trays and wire management systems, but there\u2019s always that one loop of wire hanging in the open. </pre><pre> </pre><pre>I know that the module industry has near zero margins as a commodity market. Perhaps one manufacturer could differentiate themselves by making a module with either 1) armored pigtails, or 2) provision for some kind of conduit starting at the J box.</pre><pre> </pre><pre>I\u2019m thinking of all the various back covers installers have to improvise on ground mounts. I\u2019m thinking of squirrels and ice dams. </pre><pre> </pre><pre>Why can\u2019t there be a module with the equivalent of Teck 90 cable on it?</pre><pre> </pre><pre>Maybe I\u2019m just being naive. </pre><pre> </pre><pre>Hilton </pre><pre> </pre><pre>Hilton Dier III</pre><pre>Renewable Energy Design</pre><pre>Missisquoi River Hydro LLC</pre></blockquote></div></div></div><div id="yiv6911388948yqtfd90728"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>There are two list archives for searching. 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