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<p>Broken record here:</p>
<p>DC coupled array, even if its just 1 kW. That failure is classic
AC coupled death spiral. Leak caused the pump to run, pump ran
the battery down, Sunny Island shut off, now no gen start or PV.
We're trying to fix an orphaned SMA system now, the gen start is
particularly problematic, because we can only see to trigger it on
%SOC, not Vdc. That's a problem, since as batteries age, or if
the SOC metering otherwise gets off, then the generator doesn't
start before the Sunny Island shuts down. triggering on %SOC is
all fine and good, as long as it has backup override that starts
the generator before the batteries get to 44 V.<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Ray Walters
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303 505-8760</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/17/20 5:49 PM, Tump wrote:<br>
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This is totally normal w/ the displays. There IS an emergency
charge setting\u2026. You put AC into the AC out essentially AC
coupling w/ the genset. Page 222 section 20.10. This works only
w/ FLA batteries.
<div class="">What was the issue w/ the generator battery? I
install a small AC charger for the generator battery. There are
\u201c auto start functions\u201d 234.07 Auto gen start is also 235.01<br
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<div class="">Is there internet/ cell at the site? <br class="">
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<div class="">On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:51 PM, William Miller
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sans-serif;" class="">Friends:</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana,
sans-serif;" class="">I have a client living
off-grid with a Sunny Island system AC coupled to
Sunny Boy inverters. They returned from being
away to find the system entirely shutdown due to
cloudy weather, a dead generator cranking battery
and a water leak which ran two booster pumps
continuously over a period of time. The displays
on the Sunny Islands were blank and therefore the
inverters would not start. <span
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana,
sans-serif;" class="">We put a new cranking
battery into the generator and got it started, but
with no life in the Sunny Islands, neither the
generator nor the Sunny Boys had any possibility
of reviving the discharged 6,000 amp-hour lead
acid battery array. Fortunately after
disconnecting the batteries for ten minutes, the
voltage rebounded just enough to start the Sunny
Islands which allowed the generator to connect and
we were back in operation.</span></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
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sans-serif;" class="">I am not sure why the
displays went dead on the Sunny Islands. I am on
my way back out to download and examine the SD
card logs. I have developed an Excel tool to help
me tabulate the data. Maybe there is some clue in
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questions that those of you with more Sunny Island
experience might be able to answer:</span></div>
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sans-serif;" class="">Is it normal for the display
screens on the Sunny Islands to go blank after
shutting off due to low battery voltage?</span></div>
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